notobtuse wrote: » Those who have worked against him in probably underhanded manners… President Obama and his Department of Justice and key people within the FBI, his State Department, his UN Ambassador, Hillary Clinton and her campaign organization, and a biased media. I might have forgotten some. But I have already spoken about them all in depth, here.
B0jangles wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » Those who have worked against him in probably underhanded manners… President Obama and his Department of Justice and key people within the FBI, his State Department, his UN Ambassador, Hillary Clinton and her campaign organization, and a biased media. I might have forgotten some. But I have already spoken about them all in depth, here. Seriously, just step back for a moment and honestly ask yourself: If the whole political system was engaged in secret plotting to keep Trump from being elected, how did he get elected?
notobtuse wrote: » My own view is in about a year we won’t even be talking about Trump/Russian collusion as it will be determined to be a total bogus investigation based on a specious dossier based on information provided by Russian operatives and neither verified or investigated by the FBI before they sought a FISA warrant to spy on a presidential candidate. Instead we will be talking about the greatest scandal in US history involving in the lead up and following a presidential election of the illegal work to take out a candidate and then to try and destroy a dully elected president. The major culprits I forecast will be Hilllary Clinton and her cronies, the DNC, the Clinton Foundation, heads of the FBI, heads of the Department of Justice, and the State Department. History, IMO will judge them harshly... if justice isn't blind, that is.
Leroy42 wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » Those who have worked against him in probably underhanded manners… President Obama and his Department of Justice and key people within the FBI, his State Department, his UN Ambassador, Hillary Clinton and her campaign organization, and a biased media. I might have forgotten some. But I have already spoken about them all in depth, here. So basically what you are saying is that he had some people against him. Nothing insurmountable (which I'm not sure you understand the word since he overcame them). There were key people in the FBI very much working for him as well. Giuliani clearly had insider info about the HC case for example. Obama, my view is that Obama actually was far too slow, far to reticent to be seen to become involved. In light of what we know Obama knew, it was strange that he didn't call it out at the time. Obama's sense of fair play and seeming belief that people would pay attention blinded him to the potential dangers. A biased media. You mean Fox News, the largest watched TV network in the US? Or Twitter, or FB. Alex Jones? Or do you mean some of the media? But then he was given large amount of free airtime. He was rarely fact checked and his events were covered as if they were sports events. What about the owners of the Enquirer which we know paid to keep stories out of the media? Again, you put out these theories without realising that it is these exacts things which helped Trump to win. But in terms of Trump (and part of the reason is of course he is POTUS so if being checked) we know many of these to be true rather than simply theories. For example, it is plain as day that Comey announcement so close to the election had a major impact. Trump was heading for a loss, such a negative story had to have an impact on turnout for Dems at the very least. So try to argue otherwise is to call into question the very nature of people dislike of HC
B0jangles wrote: » So no solid ideas, just an unshakeable belief that Trump had the entire establishment ranged against him, a solid wall of the most powerful people in the US, willing to do pretty much anything to prevent him winning, and they just... let him win? Do you not see the massive problems with this theory?
notobtuse wrote: » I don't think so. I would say because of Trump and the potential upcoming summit North Korea is talking about denuclearization. A possible significant movement toward peace. Possibly the best news for peace in decades. Yes, it is prudent to remain skeptical, but a positive development towards peace nonetheless. I know some would never give Trump credit for anything, but it is important to point out that Kim hasn't tested a missile since November. Trump will never get the prize, no matter what, IMO.
notobtuse wrote: » If you back over the last week or two of my posts you will see plenty of examples.
notobtuse wrote: » What people inside the FBI were working for Trump?
notobtuse wrote: » Thank you for your opinion, but I noted 'almost insurmountable factors.' Correct?
notobtuse wrote: » Obama made it know what his feelings were about Clinton's disregard for top secret and classified information and her unsecure bathroom server. His people within the FBI ran with that and even made up new law to support Obama's incorrect assertion.
notobtuse wrote: » Sure Fox was for Trump. But they're small potatoes compared to all the media that was for Hillary.
notobtuse wrote: » Comey reopened the Hillary email investigation right before the election to give the appearance of legitimacy to Hillary as she was expected to win. Comey even admitted to it. But I have recently heard Comey had to get it out because a NY media group was about to expose that Comey's FBI had the information about Weiner's pc for 5 weeks and were sitting on it. That Comey had to get it out in public to give the FBI cover for sitting on it for so long. But I am waiting for confirmation on that report and therefore it should only be taken as another of the many disturbing reports that have recently come out... many of which are proven to be true.
Cheerful Spring wrote: » Of course, it's crap. In what world is working with Russia on important matters a bad thing? How can Russia influence 60 million Americans to vote Trump? The DNC is ignoring they rigged the election for Hilary and made sure she beat Bernie Sanders. The only group pushing this bogus Russian collusion investigation is the DNC. They can't face up to the fact their candidate lost to a reality TV star, they need to blame Russia. There using porn models now to attack him as if we did not know he slept around. CNN is basically the Trump channel now I don't think they actually talk much about anything else on there?
mcmoustache wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » What people inside the FBI were working for Trump? The New York field office was leaking to Giuliani. An investigation was opened and everything.
spacecoyote wrote: » @ notobtuse, cheerful, etc... Just a question, out of interest. If Trump was running as a democrat, what would your opinion be on him & his alleged indiscretions? Please give an honest reply
notobtuse wrote: » Now, how would YOU have felt if Trump ran as a Democrat? Be truthful!
notobtuse wrote: » spacecoyote wrote: » @ notobtuse, cheerful, etc... Just a question, out of interest. If Trump was running as a democrat, what would your opinion be on him & his alleged indiscretions? Please give an honest reply If I thought Trump, running as a Democrat, was receiving too much favorable coverage from a biased media and who were failing in their journalistic duties to show the negative stuff… I would provide the information about his negatives that I thought the media was ignoring. And of course I would be against Trump in that case. He would be spouting Democrat ideals which are diametrically opposed to mine. I’m not a journalist. I don’t show fairness in my postings… nobody here does. I’m simply a partisan poster… just like everyone else here apparently is. Does that sound truthful to you? Now, how would YOU have felt if Trump ran as a Democrat? Be truthful!
notobtuse wrote: » I’m having a little problem understanding this. Are we saying flight records cast doubt on Trump's account of trip to Moscow and the whole thing revolves around the term 'overnight?'. That Trump lied to the FBI about not staying overnight in Moscow, when records state after he attended the Miss Universe pageant he went to an after-party at 1 am, then went to the airport to fly out at 3:58am, which wasn’t a fully overnight stay in Russia? I guess if the guy found time to gallivant with hookers in that busy schedule, he must be freakin’ Superman?
mcmoustache wrote: » 5 guilty pleas 1 guy about to be imprisoned for the remainder of his life 13 Russians indicted 3 Russian companies indicted All from Republican Robert Mueller who got appointed by Republican Rod Rosenstein after Republican James Comey was fired by Republican Donald Trump. I don't know where the democrats fit into your silly conspiracy theory. Your grip on reality is tenuous at best. You may be better served in the Conspiracy Theories forum because you'll have a bad time in here if you run around presenting nonsense as facts.
Cheerful Spring wrote: » If there was even a good case here to remove Trump they would have done it by now.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » June 17, 1972: The plumbers are arrested at 2:30 a.m. in the process of burglarizing and planting surveillance bugs in the Democratic National Committee offices at the Watergate Building Complex.August 9, 1974: Nixon resigns from office
Cheerful Spring wrote: » My grip on reality is better than yours. If there was even a good case here to remove Trump they would have done it by now. That trump surrounded himself with people, who he liked before and after he won and they got caught lying to US investigators ie (FBI), that shocked you? They are basically hoodlums like the guys in Wallstreet gambling money they did not own. The Americans have sanctioned Russia and Russian citizens over various things they disagreed with. They are just sanctioning again here to look tough and strong, but the reality is those sanctions don't hurt, they are a just safe facing measures to please people like you and media. Robert Mueller works for the US political establishment they dislike Trump. He only is too happy to remove Trump and place an establishment Republican in his place.
jooksavage wrote: » Cheerful Spring wrote: » My grip on reality is better than yours. If there was even a good case here to remove Trump they would have done it by now. That trump surrounded himself with people, who he liked before and after he won and they got caught lying to US investigators ie (FBI), that shocked you? They are basically hoodlums like the guys in Wallstreet gambling money they did not own. The Americans have sanctioned Russia and Russian citizens over various things they disagreed with. They are just sanctioning again here to look tough and strong, but the reality is those sanctions don't hurt, they are a just safe facing measures to please people like you and media. Robert Mueller works for the US political establishment they dislike Trump. He only is too happy to remove Trump and place an establishment Republican in his place. So much wrong with this, I'm not sure why I'm picking you up on this point but sanctions DO hurt. It's the most effective weapon against Putin and the oligarchs and if you're not convinced I would suggest you read up on Bill Browder and the Magnitsky Act. The story of how it came about is fascinating and the consequences for Putins billionaire supporters have been dire. Reversing the Magnitsky Act is among Putins top priorities. BTW if sanctions were, as you say, ineffective, why didn't Trump just sign off on them, spare Nikki Haley all this embarrassment and not end up looking like a Russian stooge himself?
kilns wrote: » Speaking from first hand experience sanctions make life very difficult but they do not bring any business to a halt. Russian Oil and gas is still sold to American companies.
