Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

Augeo wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

One minute you're a self employed in pensions and know all about the stats re likelihood of home ownership, job stability and retirement prospects for millennials Vs older generations. Then the only old people you know are dockers and hod carriers and the stats are gone out the window. Lol. I can't make you be honest about young people's chances of one ownership etc Vs older generations.

What stats, lash them down for us all to see

I never said I was self employed in pensions btw.

Referring to builders and taxi drivers as "hod carriers " is rather derogatory don't you think?

I also said most, not only, as 3rd level education wasn't really common back in the 60s and 70s one is bound to know way more folk who worked as tradesmen or in unskilled manual labour than professionals in the 60/70 year old category nowadays.

Fairly poor comeback there to be honest, I didn't expect better though. Scratch the surface with any BB fanboys and there's very little there usually.

Grand. You said you were self employed and know. Bout pensions. In which case you must know about the differences between now and previous generations prospects.

So here’s a very recent research by the. UK IFC which outlines some of the differences between old folks likelihood of home ownership compared to older generations. Given the eve increasing lifespan and growing costs of end of life care, I think it’s high time we have a national discussion about this topic.

The healthcare system is under fierce financial pressure and if can’t continue to exist if costs keep escalating.

If someone says they want to live as long as possible, no matter how painful their end of life, then I think we should honour that wish. I’ll happily pay tax to help pay for that if that’s what they want. But I think people should have the choice to slip away before their quality of life deteriorates

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/10505

It compares young people under 27 with middle incomes adjusted for inflation etc.

Houses were 150% higher in 2016 than 1996. While incomes for those people have grown only 22% in the same time.

Regional house price to income ratio is much higher for young people than it was 20 years ago making house ownership much less likely.

Home ownership is 33% now compared to 43% 15 years earlier.

Have a read yourself. The numbers are from the uk but the same phenomenon is happening in Ireland.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

One minute you're a self employed in pensions and know all about the stats re likelihood of home ownership, job stability and retirement prospects for millennials Vs older generations. Then the only old people you know are dockers and hod carriers and the stats are gone out the window. Lol. I can't make you be honest about young people's chances of one ownership etc Vs older generations.

What stats, lash them down for us all to see

I never said I was self employed in pensions btw.

Referring to builders and taxi drivers as "hod carriers " is rather derogatory don't you think?

I also said most, not only, as 3rd level education wasn't really common back in the 60s and 70s one is bound to know way more folk who worked as tradesmen or in unskilled manual labour than professionals in the 60/70 year old category nowadays.

Fairly poor comeback there to be honest, I didn't expect better though. Scratch the surface with any BB fanboys and there's very little there usually.

Augeo wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Great then if you understand he situation faced by millennials compared to how relatively easy house buying, job stability and retirement prospects were for previous generations. Is it any wonder that some young people enjoy a message that included dealing with young people's issues?

Most ole lads I know were in the building game, were dockers or were taxi drivers. They didn't enjoy job stabiility, many of them spent the 80s in England and retirement was going on job seekers, disability or the widowers pension until they got the actual state pension.

they reckon we have it easy in comparison

I reckon you don't really understand the situation tbh but you swallow the populist horsesh1t happily enough

One minute you're a self employed in pensions and know all about the stats re likelihood of home ownership, job stability and retirement prospects for millennials Vs older generations. Then the only old people you know are dockers and hod carriers and the stats are gone out the window. Lol. I can't make you be honest about young people's chances of one ownership etc Vs older generations.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Great then if you understand he situation faced by millennials compared to how relatively easy house buying, job stability and retirement prospects were for previous generations. Is it any wonder that some young people enjoy a message that included dealing with young people's issues?

Most ole lads I know were in the building game, were dockers or were taxi drivers. They didn't enjoy job stabiility, many of them spent the 80s in England and retirement was going on job seekers, disability or the widowers pension until they got the actual state pension.

they reckon we have it easy in comparison

I reckon you don't really understand the situation tbh but you swallow the populist horsesh1t happily enough

Deleted User wrote: »

Was he really raising awareness of mental health, or was he promoting a book?..

Either or both.

Does Jordan Peterson really think things were better in the old days or is he promoting his book? I'm not asking that as a serious question because the interesting this is the contents of Peterson's message, not whether or not he personally and passionately believes all the nostalgia he sells to middle aged men.

Pat Mustard

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I'm shocked that people are so hung up on the appearance of a performer.

Shocked, I tells ya

weldoninhio wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don't know if you're of an age to appreciate this, but there are some jobs that you would only go to an interview in a hoodie, jeans and trainers. But to answer your question, no I couldn't do that in my job.

I'm genuinely struggling to believe that some people are so transfixed on the surface level stuff. Given how it's accepted that fiction can be so successfully used to explain reality, I'm shocked that people are so hung up on the appearance of a performer.

Psychologically first impressions matter.

http://www.businessinsider.com/first-impressions-matter-more-than-we-think-2016-12

I don't disagree. Con men rely on that principle.

Relikk wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Sure. He dresses to impress you. And you call it smart. Does that mean you listen more intently or are more likely to agree with his argument?

Listen more intently? Yes. More likely to agree with his argument? I'd have to have something to agree or disagree with in the first place, so it's hard to answer that question. The answer also depends on whether the first question is relevant. My initial reaction would be no.

Blindboy with a bag on his head:
Listen more intently? No
Agree with his argument? No, because he's a character and is wearing a bag on his head and I wouldn't be listening to him anyway.

The person that portrays Blindboy without the accent and the bag on his head, just being himself:
Listen more intently? Yes.
Agree with his argument? Depends on his argument.

Most amusing. You would listen more intently to one over the other and you don't think that affects whether or not you'll eventually agree with their argument. That shows an embarrassing lack of self awareness.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don't know if you're of an age to appreciate this, but there are some jobs that you would only go to an interview in a hoodie, jeans and trainers. But to answer your question, no I couldn't do that in my job.

I'm genuinely struggling to believe that some people are so transfixed on the surface level stuff. Given how it's accepted that fiction can be so successfully used to explain reality, I'm shocked that people are so hung up on the appearance of a performer.

Psychologically first impressions matter.

http://www.businessinsider.com/first-impressions-matter-more-than-we-think-2016-12

Augeo wrote: »

Well as someone who is a millenial, who is self employed, who is a qualified pensions advisor and who commutes from the greater Dublin area to work I can assure you I probably wouldn't be at all shocked.

Great then if you understand he situation faced by millennials compared to how relatively easy house buying, job stability and retirement prospects were for previous generations. Is it any wonder that some young people enjoy a message that included dealing with young people's issues?

weldoninhio wrote: »

Impressions count. You wouldn’t turn up to a job interview in a football jersey and jeans and expect them to take you seriously? Surely if Dave Chambers is such an advocate of mental health in young men, he’d realise that most of Middle Ireland that watches the dirge that is the LLS will tune out when an idiot in a JCs bag turns up, and dress more appropriately to actually get the message out.

I don't know if you're of an age to appreciate this, but there are some jobs that you would only go to an interview in a hoodie, jeans and trainers. But to answer your question, no I couldn't do that in my job.

I'm genuinely struggling to believe that some people are so transfixed on the surface level stuff. Given how it's accepted that fiction can be so successfully used to explain reality, I'm shocked that people are so hung up on the appearance of a performer.

Was he really raising awareness of mental health, or was he promoting a book?..

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The numbers came out for peoples chances of buying a house now compared to baby boomers and similar generations. You'd probably be shocked at how unlikely it is for millennials to buy a house or have a stable career or have a decent retirement pension compared to previous generations. Older folk have had their fun with the economy and the environment and they need the young ones to pick up the bill.

............

Well as someone who is a millenial, who is self employed, who is a qualified pensions advisor and who commutes from the greater Dublin area to work I can assure you I probably wouldn't be at all shocked.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do none of you work?

On annual leave this week, but most workplaces have internet as do most phones.

Woke Hogan wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So what I'm calling the content of his message is what you're calling persona. That's a confusing way of saying it. Persona to me implies the character they play rather than the contents of the message.

And he performs his comedy routines on stage as his day job. The podcast is just a sideline.

I've seen a fair bit of his body of work away from his podcast and television interviews and it's honestly baffling why people like you look up to him so much. His comedy is surrealist nonsense and his efforts at adding to the nation's intellectual discourse is laughable.

That's why I commented in my first post that his fans are less than intelligent because they love a comedian who doesn't tell jokes and think someone who frankly isn't that clever is a real intellectual. It's amazing.

I don't mean you in that last part, by the way. I'm sure you're as bright as a button.

Ok leaving it the fact that you didn't actually address the content of my last post, you're letting yourself down with the ad hominem.

I never said I look up to him at all, that's your assumption. But for exampke I do support anyone who promotes mental health in young men. I dont know if you've heard it's kinda an important issue for young men. As a supporter of men's rights i care about things like that and Blindboy does some work to bring attention to it.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's weak. I've been chatting about the content of his speech/message interchangably. And still you're focused on the clothes he wears and blanket dismissal of the entire message. Given how varied the contents is each week, I doubt you could find none of it interesting. Have you listened to many of the podcasts?

I listened to about 10 minutes of one. It was his waffle about McGregor, painful to listen to and his complete lack of self awareness when he stated that people shouldn’t “pontificate online” whilst pontificating online was the only mildly humourous part.

Impressions count. You wouldn’t turn up to a job interview in a football jersey and jeans and expect them to take you seriously? Surely if Dave Chambers is such an advocate of mental health in young men, he’d realise that most of Middle Ireland that watches the dirge that is the LLS will tune out when an idiot in a JCs bag turns up, and dress more appropriately to actually get the message out.

Ulysses Gaze

Raven Rancid Slime wrote: »

He's a wing nut. Classical liberalism relates to lax economic controls - deregulation and free market stuff that is associated with right wing parties today such as the Republican party in the USA. It's a weird choice of words to describe himself, especially since he is far louder about social issues (about which he is extremely right wing) than economic ones.

By lumping him under that banner, you're lining him up alongside Richard Spencer, David Duke and other White Power/Supremacist individuals.
Particularly when you use the word "Extremely".

I'd really like to know why you consider him extremely right wing on social issues. What specifically has he said, from a social issue context, that would lead you to place him under that banner?

Relikk

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Sure. He dresses to impress you. And you call it smart. Does that mean you listen more intently or are more likely to agree with his argument?

Listen more intently? Yes. More likely to agree with his argument? I'd have to have something to agree or disagree with in the first place, so it's hard to answer that question. The answer also depends on whether the first question is relevant. My initial reaction would be no.

Blindboy with a bag on his head:
Listen more intently? No
Agree with his argument? No, because he's a character and is wearing a bag on his head and I wouldn't be listening to him anyway.

The person that portrays Blindboy without the accent and the bag on his head, just being himself:
Listen more intently? Yes.
Agree with his argument? Depends on his argument.

I'm going to be hypocritical here and delve into the realms of whataboutery... There's a job vacancy. Two people show up. One wears a bag on their head. The other doesn't. They deliver the same presentation about why they should have the job, word for word. Who do you hire? I know who I would hire.

The person without the bag on their head.

Do none of you work?

weldoninhio wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If you're someone who can't separate the message from the person who delivers it, then you'll fall into that trap alright. You wouldn't be that silly though, would you?

He’s delivering “messages” now bahahahaha. He’s talking pseudointellectual waffle. If you dress like a clown and talk like a clown, don’t be upset when people call you a clown.

That's weak. I've been chatting about the content of his speech/message interchangably. And still you're focused on the clothes he wears and blanket dismissal of the entire message. Given how varied the contents is each week, I doubt you could find none of it interesting. Have you listened to many of the podcasts?

Woke Hogan

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So what I'm calling the content of his message is what you're calling persona. That's a confusing way of saying it. Persona to me implies the character they play rather than the contents of the message.

And he performs his comedy routines on stage as his day job. The podcast is just a sideline.

I've seen a fair bit of his body of work away from his podcast and television interviews and it's honestly baffling why people like you look up to him so much. His comedy is surrealist nonsense and his efforts at adding to the nation's intellectual discourse is laughable.

That's why I commented in my first post that his fans are less than intelligent because they love a comedian who doesn't tell jokes and think someone who frankly isn't that clever is a real intellectual. It's amazing.

I don't mean you in that last part, by the way. I'm sure you're as bright as a button.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If you're someone who can't separate the message from the person who delivers it, then you'll fall into that trap alright. You wouldn't be that silly though, would you?

He’s delivering “messages” now bahahahaha. He’s talking pseudointellectual waffle. If you dress like a clown and talk like a clown, don’t be upset when people call you a clown.

Deleted User wrote: »

So once he solves the mental health crisis in the country is the guy with the spar bag on his head going to tackle the housing crisis?

He should stick to taking the p1ss out of scobes..

I get that you're making a little joke, but who said he needs to solve anything? He does raise awareness of mental health which is important which should be appreciated. But the usual story arises. People ask 'where's X service for men?' and when someone tries to do something good for men, they mock them.

Boom_Bap

Deleted User wrote: »

So once he solves the mental health crisis in the country is the guy with the spar bag on his head going to tackle the housing crisis?

He should stick to taking the p1ss out of scobes..

I don't think he's trying to solve it. I think he is trying to raise awareness of mental health particularly in men.

Woke Hogan wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Thats not what I asked you. You drew a distinction between a performers costume and their persona and I asked what you mean by that distinction because i think it's an arbitrary distinction.

A performer's persona relates to the things they say: in this case ranging from his (admittedly admirable) promotion of mental health awareness, to other more egotistical behaviour such as the affectation of the voice of his generation role in Irish society.

Examples of which would be his soapboxing on the Late Late show, referring specifically to "his" generation when discussing house prices, making statements on behalf of young Irish men and what they need ("feminism," I guess) and referring to himself as having the integrity other media sources lack over the McGregor issue lately.

Ultimately, I find it a lamentable persona because it is a supposedly comedic character but one who hasn't made any kind of joke or comedic reference in about five years. He seems to have tried to make the jump into more serious intellectual matters but from I have heard and read, he lacks the intellectual capacity to make any real impact in that field. He seems to be a bit of a lightweight.

A costume is what he wears, in this case a bag over his head.

So what I'm calling the content of his message is what you're calling persona. That's a confusing way of saying it. Persona to me implies the character they play rather than the contents of the message.

And he performs his comedy routines on stage as his day job. The podcast is just a sideline.

Relikk wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You're impressed by a salesman at the door in a suit? Sweet Jesus, I see a salesman at the door in a suit with greasy hair and I assume he's on his way to court. Maybe this is a generational thing, but Im not as impressed by suits are you are. An interesting argument is more important to me than the shininess of the suit.

I mean I could critique Jordan Peterson's appearance but the contents of his speech is of interest to me not his dowdy clothes.

You're reading too much into that. I didn't say I'd be impressed, but generally a suit would indicate more serious and business like mentalities and behaviour. It's the presentability aspect, also. I wouldn't call Jordan Peterson "dowdy". He dresses smartly. There's an air of professionalism about him.

Sure. He dresses to impress you. And you call it smart. Does that mean you listen more intently or are more likely to agree with his argument?

So once he solves the mental health crisis in the country is the guy with the spar bag on his head going to tackle the housing crisis?

He should stick to taking the p1ss out of scobes..

Woke Hogan

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Thats not what I asked you. You drew a distinction between a performers costume and their persona and I asked what you mean by that distinction because i think it's an arbitrary distinction.

A performer's persona relates to the things they say: in this case ranging from his (admittedly admirable) promotion of mental health awareness, to other more egotistical behaviour such as the affectation of the voice of his generation role in Irish society.

Examples of which would be his soapboxing on the Late Late show, referring specifically to "his" generation when discussing house prices, making statements on behalf of young Irish men and what they need ("feminism," I guess) and referring to himself as having the integrity other media sources lack over the McGregor issue lately.

Ultimately, I find it a lamentable persona because it is a supposedly comedic character but one who hasn't made any kind of joke or comedic reference in about five years. He seems to have tried to make the jump into more serious intellectual matters but from I have heard and read, he lacks the intellectual capacity to make any real impact in that field. He seems to be a bit of a lightweight.

A costume is what he wears, in this case a bag over his head.