Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

Woke Hogan wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's an arbitrary distinction between a performers costume and their persona. Can you explain the distinction you mean?

There's nothing arbitrary about it. Blindboy could come on to the Late Late dressed in a suit or tie, or in a hoody and jeans, or with a plastic bag on his head, or in black face and I'd still think what he's talking about is crap. He's a pseudo intellectual.

Thats not what I asked you. You drew a distinction between a performers costume and their persona and I asked what you mean by that distinction because i think it's an arbitrary distinction.

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Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Peterson is not a right wing activist. He describes himself as a classic liberal. He's centrist more than left or right in my opinion.

He's a wing nut. Classical liberalism relates to lax economic controls - deregulation and free market stuff that is associated with right wing parties today such as the Republican party in the USA. It's a weird choice of words to describe himself, especially since he is far louder about social issues (about which he is extremely right wing) than economic ones.

Pter wrote: »

So you arent taking him seriously based on the topics he is talking about? Ok so. Is that because you think they arent worth discussing, or because he is bringing them up? Genuinely interested as to the reasons why people feel he shouldnt be taken seriously.

The fact he looks and sounds like a humongous fncking idiot is hard to get away from. However, if one can get beyond that and listen to the speel you then realise it's just populist horsesh1t that he is prattling on about. It's clickbait joe.ie / sinn fein / anti water charge type ramblings.

He went on a rant once on the Late Late iirc it was on how NONE of his peers or friends in his age group could ever hope to buy a house or have bought a house. Like, FFS, that's complete and utter crap. But loads of folk lapp it up, hence he comes out with it.

Deleted User wrote: »

Read that back to yourself and realise how daft it sounds.

The way to get people to focus on the arguments alone, and not on your appearance, is to wear a plastic bag on your head? LOL.

Indeed, madness

Vladimir Poontang

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Blindboy devotees should have to clarify if they're from Limerick I reckon..

I'm from Limerick and I think he's an overrated clown.

Woke Hogan wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If you're someone who can't separate the message from the person who delivers it, then you'll fall into that trap alright. You wouldn't be that silly though, would you?

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Don't you feel a bit silly that you're stuck in his appearance rather than the content of his message?

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You're impressed by a salesman at the door in a suit? Sweet Jesus, I see a salesman at the door in a suit with greasy hair and I assume he's on his way to court.

Then you'd feel really silly.

Don't you though? Feel silly that you can't distinguish the message from the clothes/persona of the one delivering that message?

There have been pages of posts focusing on the costume/persona, and nothing specific by way of a counter argument. That shows the level of the opposition. It's not rational rebuttals, it's simple ad hominem. If you think it's a good argument against the content of his message, then maybe you need to have a think about that n

Woke Hogan

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's an arbitrary distinction between a performers costume and their persona. Can you explain the distinction you mean?

There's nothing arbitrary about it. Blindboy could come on to the Late Late dressed in a suit or tie, or in a hoody and jeans, or with a plastic bag on his head, or in black face and I'd still think what he's talking about is crap. He's a pseudo intellectual.

Woke Hogan wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

He became known as blindboy. 'Fred's musings and social commentary podcast' wouldn't be as recognisable as the blindboy podcast.
In any case, isn't it his choice own to publicise? It's probably fair to say different audiences respond to different presentations.

Don't you feel a bit silly that you're stuck in his appearance rather than the content of his message?

Well, like I said earlier...

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I'm not talking about his costume, I mean his persona.

His persona being a "rough and ready bleggard from the streets with the soul of an artist," right? It's a crap persona: it's not particularly clever nor is it funny.

That's an arbitrary distinction between a performers costume and their persona. Can you explain the distinction you mean?

The Blindboy devotees should have to clarify if they're from Limerick I reckon..

Woke Hogan

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If you're someone who can't separate the message from the person who delivers it, then you'll fall into that trap alright. You wouldn't be that silly though, would you?

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Don't you feel a bit silly that you're stuck in his appearance rather than the content of his message?

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You're impressed by a salesman at the door in a suit? Sweet Jesus, I see a salesman at the door in a suit with greasy hair and I assume he's on his way to court.

Then you'd feel really silly.

weldoninhio wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

By using Blindboy, a caricature, to deliver the message it means the focus is on the message not the presentation of the person delivering the message.

That’s nonsense. If someone is delivering a message dressed as a clown, their opinion is going to be taken as the opinion of a clown.

If you're someone who can't separate the message from the person who delivers it, then you'll fall into that trap alright. You wouldn't be that silly though, would you?

Relikk wrote: »

It's to do with professionalism, and what the majority of the world would perceive as professionalism. You'd see the salesman at your door in a suit and know he means business. You'd see someone with a bag on their head and think that they're taking the piss.

You're impressed by a salesman at the door in a suit? Sweet Jesus, I see a salesman at the door in a suit with greasy hair and I assume he's on his way to court. Maybe this is a generational thing, but Im not as impressed by suits are you are. An interesting argument is more important to me than the shininess of the suit.

I mean I could critique Jordan Peterson's appearance but the contents of his speech is of interest to me not his dowdy clothes.

Woke Hogan

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

He became known as blindboy. 'Fred's musings and social commentary podcast' wouldn't be as recognisable as the blindboy podcast.
In any case, isn't it his choice own to publicise? It's probably fair to say different audiences respond to different presentations.

Don't you feel a bit silly that you're stuck in his appearance rather than the content of his message?

Well, like I said earlier...

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I'm not talking about his costume, I mean his persona.

His persona being a "rough and ready bleggard from the streets with the soul of an artist," right? It's a crap persona: it's not particularly clever nor is it funny.

Deleted User wrote: »

Read that back to yourself and realise how daft it sounds.

The way to get people to focus on the arguments alone, and not on your appearance, is to wear a plastic bag on your head? LOL.

I'd say it negates his appearance as a selling point. Do clothes matter that much to you in audio form? Fair play to you if you can tell what someone is wearing while listening to a podcast.

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I genuinely can't see how anyone in their right mind would think that someone affecting a silly over top persona is the best way to convey a serious message. Imagine if Rod Hull and emu were telling people to check their scrotums for lumps, for example. Nobody would focus on the message then.

He became known as blindboy. 'Fred's musings and social commentary podcast' wouldn't be as recognisable as the blindboy podcast.
In any case, isn't it his choice own to publicise? It's probably fair to say different audiences respond to different presentations.

Don't you feel a bit silly that you're stuck in his appearance rather than the content of his message?

Ok im out. People arent willing to answer simple questions put to them, but will jump on an analogy and take it literally. Im glad ye all have your opinions made up, but based off the numbers of questions i have asked to gain info on your opinions, vs the number of direct answers ye have given, ye arent doing a great job at explaining said opinions.

Thank you for the thoughts that were put forward, though!

Relikk

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's a bit basic but lots of people evaluate an argument including irrelevant aspects of the speaker. That's why salesmen wear shiny suits. It's not clever but it's something people do.

It's to do with professionalism, and what the majority of the world would perceive as professionalism. You'd see the salesman at your door in a suit and know he means business. You'd see someone with a bag on their head and think that they're taking the piss.

Boom_Bap

Deleted User wrote: »

Read that back to yourself and realise how daft it sounds.

The way to get people to focus on the arguments alone, and not on your appearance, is to wear a plastic bag on your head? LOL.

I guess it's all about the perspective of the listener then :pac:

Pter wrote: »

Not much, according to the post i assume you are responding to.

Regardless it's still an idiotic point..

Blindboy fanboys are funnier than Blindboy at this stage anyway..
Although maybe it's just "gas cnutism" in action, and they're extras in Blindboy's breaking down of the fourth wall..

*Gas cnutism never struck me as that gas really, and seemed like more of a needlessly crass stupid soundbite..

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I think the whole point of blindboy presenting arguments as a ridiculous character is to make sure the focus is completely on the argument and not on the speaker.

Read that back to yourself and realise how daft it sounds.

The way to get people to focus on the arguments alone, and not on your appearance, is to wear a plastic bag on your head? LOL.

Sky King wrote: »

Pter wrote: »

So am i right in saying you put more weight in who is saying something vs what is being said?

No.

Would you be happy to debate someone in a debate about a very serious issue (e.g. suicide) if they were using a fake voice, and fake accent and wearing a disguise?

Wouldn't it depend on what the person has to say over how they are dressed? I notice you didn't actually answer the question.

Pter wrote: »

So am i right in saying you put more weight in who is saying something vs what is being said?

It's a bit basic but lots of people evaluate an argument including irrelevant aspects of the speaker. That's why salesmen wear shiny suits. It's not clever but it's something people do.

I think the whole point of blindboy presenting arguments as a ridiculous character is to make sure the focus is completely on the argument and not on the speaker. Some people are inclined to judge the book by the cover which isn't clever but talking what people sometime do.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I can't say I agree with that. He dresses as a clown of sorts. The reason for using a plastic bag is because there isn't much established preconception about wearing a spar shopping bag over your face. It is supposed to have the very opposite affect to the one you're claiming. The point of the bag is to take attention away from the persona and direct attention to the message content.

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh for the love of God..

There's a preconception about wearing a plastic bag on your head?

Not much, according to the post i assume you are responding to.

Oh for the love of God..

There's a preconception about wearing a plastic bag on your head?

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Pter wrote: »

On its merits, not on the basis of who the artist is.

Or should we be running background checks on all artists before we appreciate or slate a piece of art?

His personal background is irrelevant to me but if an artist assumes a public persona for their art, then one would consider that persona to be a extension of the art itself and therefore subject to the same scrutiny the art would get.

I can't say I agree with that. He dresses as a clown of sorts. The reason for using a plastic bag is because there isn't much established preconception about wearing a spar shopping bag over your face. It is supposed to have the very opposite affect to the one you're claiming. The point of the bag is to take attention away from the persona and direct attention to the message content.

Augeo wrote: »

no, but if he was on TV talking about depression, homelessness "crisis", no jobs for the lads in Limerick, other puplulist horsesh1t like BB does, I'd ignore that

So you arent taking him seriously based on the topics he is talking about? Ok so. Is that because you think they arent worth discussing, or because he is bringing them up? Genuinely interested as to the reasons why people feel he shouldnt be taken seriously.

Pter wrote: »

So Dustin comes on the radio raising awareness of a children's charity (which is within his area as a childrens entertainer) and you ignore it on the basis that it's coming from Dustin?

no, but if he was on TV talking about depression, homelessness "crisis", no jobs for the lads in Limerick, other puplulist horsesh1t like BB does, I'd ignore that

Deleted User wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's one of the reasons Jordan Peterson presents himself the way he does. He presents as a middle aged man to help him connect with his primary audience of middle aged men

It's stuff like this that makes it super hard to take you seriously.

Do what you like. I can't remember the last time you responded to my post without it being a personal attack. If you're able to discuss the issue, feel free to do so.

Relikk wrote:

Of course it's whataboutery, as I said, we know who he is and what he portrays. You're comparing it to someone we don't know because we've never seen them before and we don't know if they're an exaggerated character.

I disagree that someone can't be a character as well as a person if that's what you are getting at. Plenty of 'characters' speak as the 'actor' and vice versa and I think that's what's happening here.

Relikk

Pter wrote: »

Its not whataboutery at all. If we are discussing BB, most of his public work is being done without the accent via a podcast. No shopping bag in sight; no character or persona - just his actual opinions and thoughts - same as the entertainers you have mentioned. If he chooses to 'protect' his identity, is that the major issue?

Of course it's whataboutery, as I said, we know who he is and what he portrays. You're comparing it to someone we don't know because we've never seen them before and we don't know if they're an exaggerated character.

Yes, he's probably sitting in the comfort of his own home and not wearing a bag on his head, but he's still using the character and his podcasts are labelled with the characters name.