mcmoustache wrote: » No. just trying to help jook figure out what it might be that people hate about Obama so much. It could be his hair.
jooksavage wrote: » Pointed out by someone this morning that some of Trumps' associates, including Scaramucci and friend and former attorney Jay Goldberg, have been providing commentary since the Cohen raid, comparing Cohen to mobster Sammy Gravano and talking in terms of will he/won't he "flip" and give up Trump. Huh? This is the President of the United States and these guys, his self-proclaimed supporters, are completely blasé about their assumption that he's guilty of something. They're not concerned by the actual commission of a crime - they're not vigorously denying that. They seem to be taking that for granted.
amandstu wrote: » et tu Scaramucci?:eek:
Quin_Dub wrote: » It's truly shocking that that is the level of conversation going on about the President of the US.
everlast75 wrote: » Every.. single.. day
notobtuse wrote: » The Democratic National Committee filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit today against the Russian government, the Trump campaign and the WikiLeaks organization alleging conspiracy to disrupt the 2016 campaign and get Donald Trump elected. The suit alleges that top Trump campaign officials conspired with the Russian government and its military spy agency to hack the computer networks of the Democratic Party and disseminating stolen material found there. This is laughable. I have to wonder if the DNC has lost their collective minds. First, the DNC REFUSED to allow the FBI access to their server to determine if the server was actually hacked, and if it was, who hacked it. Second, the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC paid for the specious Steele dossier which utilized information obtained from Russian operatives and was used as the basis to illegally spy on the Trump administration in a scheme to derail Trump’s bid for the White House and later to cripple his presidency. If the DNC goes forward with this lunacy, Trump should immediately file a lawsuit against Hillary Clinton and the DNC for their underhanded roll in the 2016 election. I think Trump would have a much stronger case in civil court, as long is it’s not filed in New York or Washington, DC. Trump might just bankrupt the DNC and Clinton. That would be a good thing, IMO.https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-party-files-lawsuit-alleging-russia-the-trump-campaign-and-wikileaks-conspired-to-disrupt-the-2016-campaign/2018/04/20/befe8364-4418-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.134d31d79762
The lawsuit echoes a similar legal tactic that the Democratic Party used during the Watergate scandal. In 1972, the DNC filed suit against then President Richard Nixon’s reelection committee seeking $1 million in damages for the break-in at Democratic headquarters in the Watergate building. The suit was denounced at the time by Nixon’s attorney general, John Mitchell, who called it a case of “sheer demagoguery” by the DNC. But the civil action brought by former DNC chair Lawrence F. O’Brien was ultimately successful, yielding a $750,000 settlement from the Nixon campaign that was reached on the day in 1974 that Nixon left office.
jooksavage wrote: » Should he actually file a lawsuit or just threaten to do so? Either way, his history of litigiousness is hardly a glittering success.
Itssoeasy wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » The Democratic National Committee filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit today against the Russian government, the Trump campaign and the WikiLeaks organization alleging conspiracy to disrupt the 2016 campaign and get Donald Trump elected. The suit alleges that top Trump campaign officials conspired with the Russian government and its military spy agency to hack the computer networks of the Democratic Party and disseminating stolen material found there. This is laughable. I have to wonder if the DNC has lost their collective minds. First, the DNC REFUSED to allow the FBI access to their server to determine if the server was actually hacked, and if it was, who hacked it. Second, the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC paid for the specious Steele dossier which utilized information obtained from Russian operatives and was used as the basis to illegally spy on the Trump administration in a scheme to derail Trump’s bid for the White House and later to cripple his presidency. If the DNC goes forward with this lunacy, Trump should immediately file a lawsuit against Hillary Clinton and the DNC for their underhanded roll in the 2016 election. I think Trump would have a much stronger case in civil court, as long is it’s not filed in New York or Washington, DC. Trump might just bankrupt the DNC and Clinton. That would be a good thing, IMO.https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-party-files-lawsuit-alleging-russia-the-trump-campaign-and-wikileaks-conspired-to-disrupt-the-2016-campaign/2018/04/20/befe8364-4418-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.134d31d79762 So bankrupting one of the two major parties in the country is a good thing ? That's not a good thing. You really are a slightly gullible person going on your posts here, which seem to show a willingness to believe any old stuff that fits your world view regardless of it's factual basis. You've bought hook,line, and sinker into President Trump and his nonsense. You clearly can't see the massive character flaws that man has. He and the GOP are willing to bend over backwards to distort the facts.
Itssoeasy wrote: » https://static01.nyt.com/files/2018/us/politics/20180419-james-comey-memos.pdf?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news The Comey memos were released/leaked after the justice dept gave them to the republicans in congress(just before the trump supporters give out about leaks.It's the GOP this time) The link above shows the actual memos as written by James Comey.
jooksavage wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » The Democratic National Committee filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit today against the Russian government, the Trump campaign and the WikiLeaks organization alleging conspiracy to disrupt the 2016 campaign and get Donald Trump elected. The suit alleges that top Trump campaign officials conspired with the Russian government and its military spy agency to hack the computer networks of the Democratic Party and disseminating stolen material found there. This is laughable. I have to wonder if the DNC has lost their collective minds. First, the DNC REFUSED to allow the FBI access to their server to determine if the server was actually hacked, and if it was, who hacked it. Second, the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC paid for the specious Steele dossier which utilized information obtained from Russian operatives and was used as the basis to illegally spy on the Trump administration in a scheme to derail Trump’s bid for the White House and later to cripple his presidency. If the DNC goes forward with this lunacy, Trump should immediately file a lawsuit against Hillary Clinton and the DNC for their underhanded roll in the 2016 election. I think Trump would have a much stronger case in civil court, as long is it’s not filed in New York or Washington, DC. Trump might just bankrupt the DNC and Clinton. That would be a good thing, IMO.https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-party-files-lawsuit-alleging-russia-the-trump-campaign-and-wikileaks-conspired-to-disrupt-the-2016-campaign/2018/04/20/befe8364-4418-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.134d31d79762 Should he actually file a lawsuit or just threaten to do so? Either way, his history of litigiousness is hardly a glittering success.
notobtuse wrote: » In a fair civil court setting I think Trump would have a strong case this time.
notobtuse wrote: » At least the classified parts were redacted. Can’t say that about Comey’s leak. I don’t like leaks, but wonder why the GOP did it, nonetheless. First thing is Comey never explicitly said in his memos that Trump obstructed his investigation. Second, by redacting the classified parts of the memos the Republicans attempted to show that the memos Comey had leaked were actually classified documents and that he perjured himself in his Senate testimony. IMO.
Leroy42 wrote: » Ah, so the courts are against him as well. So its the media, Washington DC, the elites, the courts, the electoral college. Amazing how the guy managed to pull himself through life with literally everything ranged against him.
Leroy42 wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » In a fair civil court setting I think Trump would have a strong case this time. Ah, so the courts are against him as well. So its the media, Washington DC, the elites, the courts, the electoral college. Amazing how the guy managed to pull himself through life with literally everything ranged against him. Makes you wonder though. If everything in the US was aimed against him, where could he possibly go to help him overcome this?
mcmoustache wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » At least the classified parts were redacted. Can’t say that about Comey’s leak. I don’t like leaks, but wonder why the GOP did it, nonetheless. First thing is Comey never explicitly said in his memos that Trump obstructed his investigation. Second, by redacting the classified parts of the memos the Republicans attempted to show that the memos Comey had leaked were actually classified documents and that he perjured himself in his Senate testimony. IMO. How do you feel about the leaks coming from the white house?
Captain Obvious wrote: » The DNC lawsuit may be more to do with getting disclosure orders.
notobtuse wrote: » Not the electoral college. With all the underhandedness, deceit, and character assassinations afoot it really is a wonder he won the presidency.
notobtuse wrote: » I said I don't like leaks.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » He is an awful human being. It beggars belief that such a man could be elected.
mcmoustache wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » I said I don't like leaks. What if they came from Trump? I'm going somewhere with this.
notobtuse wrote: » I said I don't like leaks. I might have an idea where you are going with this, so let me say this, also... I want equal justice under the law. Not selected justice depending on what party you belong to, as we see today in the US. If you ignore the wrongdoings of someone from one party, don't use the law to hide behind to go after someone from another party. Take for example Andrew McCade. He did almost exactly the same thing that Michael Flynn was charged for. Yet McCade is walking around scott-free at this point and raising hundreds of thousands of dollars for himself. To me, selective justice is a bigger problem than leaks.
aloyisious wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » Not the electoral college. With all the underhandedness, deceit, and character assassinations afoot it really is a wonder he won the presidency. Don had changed his mind about the electoral college between 2012 and 2016, and apparently the 2012 election process as well, where Obama was re-elected. Imagine where he, you and the US would be if he hadn't changed his mind about them and decided to get involved in what he described as undemocratic processes. Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy. 5:45 AM - Nov 7, 2012 This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy! 8:33 PM - 6 Nov 2012
