Thepoet85 wrote: » notobtuse wrote: What scandals? Sure there is some stuff going on from before he was president that could be considered scandals, but what has he done while POTUS that you consider to be a scandal? Fire someone who should have been fired long before Trump did it? You must be on the wind up. Trump has never been out of the news since becoming president. It's been one embarrassment after another from day one.
notobtuse wrote: What scandals? Sure there is some stuff going on from before he was president that could be considered scandals, but what has he done while POTUS that you consider to be a scandal? Fire someone who should have been fired long before Trump did it?
notobtuse wrote: » but look at his presidency from the people here.
notobtuse wrote: » I get that Trump’s presidency is looked at differently in other countries, but look at his presidency from the people here. Here is a graphic from FiveThrityEight of presidents approval ratings. Seems Trump is pretty much in line with other recent presidents at this point in the presidency regarding approval rating.https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
Christy42 wrote: » Obama has nothing to do with Trump's racist remarks (well except for the passport racism Trump helped promote - incidentally I am waiting on the promised proof)
Hurrache wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » but look at his presidency from the people here. Is it one of the many graphics that show he has the lowest approval ratings/highest disapproval ratings for a US president in generations? Have you not yet realised the numbers are never going to come out in your favour.
notobtuse wrote: » He’s bombastic and a blowhard… I’ll give you that. And others might say it has been one character assassination after another by the media from day one. I get that Trump’s presidency is looked at differently in other countries, but look at his presidency from the people here. Here is a graphic from FiveThrityEight of presidents approval ratings. Seems Trump is pretty much in line with other recent presidents at this point in the presidency regarding approval rating.https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
notobtuse wrote: » Trump wrote: Despite having one of the all-time great memories, I certainly do not remember him.
Trump wrote: Despite having one of the all-time great memories, I certainly do not remember him.
Trump wrote: I think I am, actually humble. I think I'm much more humble than you would understand.
notobtuse wrote: » A lot of presidents had less than 50% approval ratings at this point in their term in office. With the character assassination assault on Trump by the Democrats and the media I don't see his approval rating to rise above 50% on average of the polls. But as I recall none of the poll averages had Trump wining the presidency either.
notobtuse wrote: » This is a disgusting comment. You shouldn’t be worth any of my time or effort, but… I am taking in a high school junior into my household. She is part black and it doesn’t matter one bit to us. Her mother has a drug addiction problem and a terminal brain tumor and her time on this earth looks to be short. They will be evicted from their residence within a month. The mother will be going into a homeless shelter and the girl will either join her, be on the streets, or have to go shortly into foster care. And she will age out of foster care in less than half a year. She is a friend of my daughter and a wonderful girl who gets straight A-grades in school. We don’t want any money to take her in. We just can’t let her go through foster care or go homeless. We will provide for her, and give her a loving and caring home. She said it will be possibly for two years that she needs a home. We said it doesn’t matter and our home will be her home for as long as she wants and as long as she abides by our rules. What good have YOU done recently?
notobtuse wrote: » I thought Barack Obama was a scummy person. He was little more than a slimy Chicago politician. I'm sure you would disagree and feel he was a good president. I guess it's all a matter of perception. IMO.
BabyCheeses wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » A lot of presidents had less than 50% approval ratings at this point in their term in office. With the character assassination assault on Trump by the Democrats and the media I don't see his approval rating to rise above 50% on average of the polls. But as I recall none of the poll averages had Trump wining the presidency either. They also tended to go above 50% at some point. The numbers are there to see. His approval ratings are terrible, other presidents have had dips but none have been consistently as bad as Trump. You can't look at the approval ratings of all the past president and think this is normal without some severe ignoring of reality. Polls did get the total votes right. You just don't understand numbers. Why constantly blaming the media? I thought Trump found a way to communicate directly using Twitter? Can't be a character assassination if we get our views of him direct from the source.
notobtuse wrote: » Oh, the media still has plenty influence. Just not as much as they would like with Trump going directly to the people and bypassing their biased filter. And it's driving them crazy, IMO. Here's a good read by no fan of Trump regarding media coverage of him. I think it explains a lot...https://arcdigital.media/is-the-media-biased-against-donald-trump-72109d6423cb
notobtuse wrote: » Here’s a couple of things… The Obama administration was full of scandal because he perverted the machinery of the state for political ends. He illegally used the IRS target and other federal agencies from the BATF to the NLRB to target and harass his political enemies. Under the disguise of developing “green” energy projects he directed taxpayer money to his politically connected cronies. And the Obama administration used his Department of Justice to spy on private citizens he didn’t like and his attorney general, Eric Holder, left office while being held in contempt of Congress for inhibiting the investigation of other Obama administration scandals. Those are some of the reasons I found Obama to be a shady and slimy president.
mcmoustache wrote: » It's clear that you are judging Obama by a different set of standards than you are Trump.
Quin_Dub wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » He’s bombastic and a blowhard… I’ll give you that. And others might say it has been one character assassination after another by the media from day one. I get that Trump’s presidency is looked at differently in other countries, but look at his presidency from the people here. Here is a graphic from FiveThrityEight of presidents approval ratings. Seems Trump is pretty much in line with other recent presidents at this point in the presidency regarding approval rating.https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/ The Key view from those charts is the Net Approval Rating. Only 2 Other Presidents have dipped below Zero at any time in their 1st 454 Days. Gerald Ford and Bill Clinton.. Clinton had a brief period of about ~30 days below zero around the 4 month mark , but otherwise was in Positive territory.. Ford bounced around zero for about 5 months in the middle of his 1st year.. Trump went below Zero on Day 12 of his Presidency and has never gone back above zero once , he's had consistent double digit negative Net approval since about 75 days in He is , without any shadow of doubt the least popular President in modern history at this point in his tenure..
oscarBravo wrote: » mcmoustache wrote: » It's clear that you are judging Obama by a different set of standards than you are Trump. Of course he is. Four legs good, two legs bad. Trump may be an absolutely disgraceful excuse for a human being, but he occasionally remembers to pretend to be a conservative, and that's good enough for the "I'd literally vote for Satan himself if he was on the GOP ticket" brigade. The USA is finished. It's like a chicken with its head cut off: it's dead, but it hasn't realised it yet.
mcmoustache wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » Here’s a couple of things… The Obama administration was full of scandal because he perverted the machinery of the state for political ends. He illegally used the IRS target and other federal agencies from the BATF to the NLRB to target and harass his political enemies. Under the disguise of developing “green” energy projects he directed taxpayer money to his politically connected cronies. And the Obama administration used his Department of Justice to spy on private citizens he didn’t like and his attorney general, Eric Holder, left office while being held in contempt of Congress for inhibiting the investigation of other Obama administration scandals. Those are some of the reasons I found Obama to be a shady and slimy president. Even if all these were true, Trump has been stumbling from scandal to scandal. Take Scott Pruitt, Ben Carson, Michael Flynn, leaking intelligence to Russians, using campaign money for legal bills, having foreign dignitaries stay at his overpriced hotels, Ivanka and Jared in the white house, the stupid twitter nicknames, admitting to obstruction on air, backtracking on sanctions and telling the Russians before Nicky Haley, his g20 speech where he showed that he had no idea of how Nato worked and his general obsession with himself for example. That's just what we know so far. Republicans had 6 years to investigate Obama and he came out fairly clean which is pretty good for a Chicago politician. Trump has been in office for less that 18 months and the scandals are weekly. It's clear that you are judging Obama by a different set of standards than you are Trump.
notobtuse wrote: » Of course Obama came out relatively clean. If only the Department of Justice would have done their job during his tenure. But with Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch at the helm it only proves political appointees should never be placed at the head of the DOJ… at least Democratic appointees IMO. Eleven House Republicans have signed a joint letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions calling for the criminal prosecution of Hillary for disguising payments to Fusion GPS” in a way that violated federal campaign finance law, former FBI Director James Comey for a politically motivated failure to prosecute Clinton, as well as for the allegedly illegal act of leaking his own notes to a friend, former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe for the same “lack of candor” that was already the pretext for taking away his pension, former Attorney General Loretta Lynch for not prosecuting the Uranium One deal, FBI agent Peter Strzok and DOJ lawyer Lisa Page for allegedly interfering with the Clinton email investigation. Separately, it calls for prosecution of “all DOJ and FBI personnel responsible for signing the Carter Page warrant application,” which is Comey and McCabe plus former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates plus former US attorney (and current FBI general counsel) Dana Boente for allegedly violating Page’s civil liberties. And even Trump appointee Dana Boente, who is currently the FBI’s general counsel. But Congress can’t take action. The Department of Justice would need to act for anything to get done.
notobtuse wrote: » Reports of our demise are grossly exaggerated.
notobtuse wrote: » I think if he stays between 40% - 50% approval he'll do okay. Under that then it's time to worry. While the media has obsessed over Trumps tweets its hard to believe that with all the tweeting he’s found time to work with Congress to cut taxes for struggling families and fight to bring back jobs and industries to America. But it does prove, at least to me, the media's power to pull the wool over people's eyes if the media hates you. It will be a good test to the old phrase... 'it's the economy, stupid.' IMO
notobtuse wrote: » I think if he stays between 40% - 50% approval he'll do okay. Under that then it's time to worry.
notobtuse wrote: » While the media has obsessed over Trumps tweets its hard to believe that with all the tweeting he’s found time to work with Congress to cut taxes for struggling families and fight to bring back jobs and industries to America. But it does prove, at least to me, the media's power to pull the wool over people's eyes if the media hates you. It will be a good test to the old phrase... 'it's the economy, stupid.' IMO
aloyisious wrote: » For info of those with access to BBC2 Newsnight, it's running an interview with J Comey and has invited the Mooch along as a guest for his opinion as a former W/House Dir of Communications* to give his judgement on JC and his book
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