Hurrache wrote: » Sure look at one of his tweets from yesterday. Most normal people would say I was out playing golf with my buddy, but Trump takes every opportunity to pimp his own name and businesseshttps://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/986711015630036992
Professor Moriarty wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » Other disabled people... No. But I do get aggravated with some who have handicapped cards on their rear view windows, with no visible signs of a disability who take up the special parking spots, leaving people with walking disabilities no place to park that are handy. But this is getting away from the topic so I'll stop with this. No, we're on topic. So are you happy with this performance by The Donald?Here is a picture of the reporter he was talking about.
notobtuse wrote: » Other disabled people... No. But I do get aggravated with some who have handicapped cards on their rear view windows, with no visible signs of a disability who take up the special parking spots, leaving people with walking disabilities no place to park that are handy. But this is getting away from the topic so I'll stop with this.
everlast75 wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » Other disabled people... No. But I do get aggravated with some who have handicapped cards on their rear view windows, with no visible signs of a disability who take up the special parking spots, leaving people with walking disabilities no place to park that are handy. But this is getting away from the topic so I'll stop with this. So, after all he has done... what WOULD it take for you to say he was an awful president. Be honest
notobtuse wrote: » I remember that incident. Trump was making the gesture of a deranged person. He didn't know the guy was disabled.
oscarBravo wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » But I do get aggravated with some who have handicapped cards on their rear view windows, with no visible signs of a disability who take up the special parking spots, leaving people with walking disabilities no place to park that are handy. So you feel qualified to judge whether or not people are sufficiently disabled to deserve a parking permit based on nothing more than a brief visual observation. I'm afraid I find that all too believable, consider your unceasing torrent of "I don't need facts, I have strongly-held uninformed opinions!" on this thread. Unfortunately, people with "invisible" disabilities have to put up with dickishness similar to what you've cheerfully espoused above all the time. But then, if you're OK with a presidential candidate mocking a disabled person, we shouldn't really be surprised when you're not ashamed of being a dick towards disabled people yourself.
notobtuse wrote: » But I do get aggravated with some who have handicapped cards on their rear view windows, with no visible signs of a disability who take up the special parking spots, leaving people with walking disabilities no place to park that are handy.
Christy42 wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » Free speech must be protected, even speech that is offensive. Do I think he has said some things that are offensive in private, sure. I think everyone has. I don't like people that put things out into the media and refuse to give their names behind it. They're cowards in my book. People have affairs. Did he have an affair in private office or while POTUS? Other presidents did while in office. So why is Trump the devil for it? A lot of people here think Planned Parenthood should not be funded by government money. I've been called deplorable with no redeeming qualities. So what! I'm not going to cry over it. And the spending bill is terrible and I blame him for not vetoing it. Happy? Sure freedom of speech is a thing but it does not mean you have to be considered a good person. I see no reason to arrest Trump over his Mexican immigrants are rapists remarks but it also makes him a complete and utter piece of scum in my book. Scummy people should not be president in my view. Seems reasonable. Nowhere in freedom of speech does it say I have to consider the speaker a good person and so it is not relevant here. The affair, I care less about. Certainly it makes him a bad human being but it is less dangerous than encouraging negative views of part of the population. It will be absolutely hilarious when the evangelists turn around and start shouting that the next democrat candidate is not god fearing enough or whatever.
notobtuse wrote: » Free speech must be protected, even speech that is offensive. Do I think he has said some things that are offensive in private, sure. I think everyone has. I don't like people that put things out into the media and refuse to give their names behind it. They're cowards in my book. People have affairs. Did he have an affair in private office or while POTUS? Other presidents did while in office. So why is Trump the devil for it? A lot of people here think Planned Parenthood should not be funded by government money. I've been called deplorable with no redeeming qualities. So what! I'm not going to cry over it. And the spending bill is terrible and I blame him for not vetoing it. Happy?
notobtuse wrote: » I thought Barack Obama was a scummy person. He was little more than a slimy Chicago politician. I'm sure you would disagree and feel he was a good president. I guess it's all a matter of perception. IMO.
Leroy42 wrote: » Just placing IMO at the end of everything isn't a get out of jail card, particularly when there are actual facts available on which to judge something. Since Obama has completed his two terms, it is possible to review his performance and judge based on actual outcomes rather than simply perceptions. So what, in particular, makes Obama a scummy person?
dr.fuzzenstein wrote: » Hurrache wrote: » Be a democrat can be the only answer at this stage from him. And black. Honestly, there is no point in discussing this with a Trump supporter. A Trump supporter will always be a Trump supporter, as the man himself said, he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and his followers would only dig in deeper and become more rabid. They will follow Trump no matter what. Trump could destroy their jobs, social welfare, healthcare, the country, the rest of the world, they would wave their arms, stomp their feet and they would whoop and holler for it. And they would blame Obama or Hillary for it. The only thing Trump could do to lose them is fight for equality (for women AND black people, yikes!), become an environmentalist and tolerant of other beliefs. You know, become a decent human being. They elected Trump because he is a slime ball and a cnut. And the more he is exactly that, the more they will follow him to the inevitable outcome of America sliding into self destruction. They will scream and cheer as the Titanic slips beneath the waves.
Hurrache wrote: » Be a democrat can be the only answer at this stage from him.
Leroy42 wrote: » Why do you call Obama scummy? I mean I totally get if you disagree with his policies, don't like the way he handled certain matters, but scummy is a particular insult beyond simply a disagreement on ideologies. ON what basis do you call him that?
Hurrache wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » I remember that incident. Trump was making the gesture of a deranged person. He didn't know the guy was disabled. Wait, one sec, let me get this straight. A president you much admire and defend cannot tell when a person has an obvious disability? Why do you trust any other decision he makes? What's the morning like over there in the states today?
notobtuse wrote: » Here’s a couple of things… The Obama administration was full of scandal because he perverted the machinery of the state for political ends. He illegally used the IRS target and other federal agencies from the BATF to the NLRB to target and harass his political enemies. Under the disguise of developing “green” energy projects he directed taxpayer money to his politically connected cronies. And the Obama administration used his Department of Justice to spy on private citizens he didn’t like and his attorney general, Eric Holder, left office while being held in contempt of Congress for inhibiting the investigation of other Obama administration scandals. Those are some of the reasons I found Obama to be a shady and slimy president.
notobtuse wrote: » He was going off the comments of the reporter, as I recall. You can't tell from written word that the writer has a disability.
everlast75 wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » Here’s a couple of things… The Obama administration was full of scandal because he perverted the machinery of the state for political ends. He illegally used the IRS target and other federal agencies from the BATF to the NLRB to target and harass his political enemies. Under the disguise of developing “green” energy projects he directed taxpayer money to his politically connected cronies. And the Obama administration used his Department of Justice to spy on private citizens he didn’t like and his attorney general, Eric Holder, left office while being held in contempt of Congress for inhibiting the investigation of other Obama administration scandals. Those are some of the reasons I found Obama to be a shady and slimy president. So, if an administration was full of scandal, that means the President is "scummy". Surely, you will accept that the current administration is full of scandal. So explain to me, based on your own criteria and accepting that your basis is both valid and fair, why is it you fail to see that Trump is "scummy"?
notobtuse wrote: » everlast75 wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » Here’s a couple of things… The Obama administration was full of scandal because he perverted the machinery of the state for political ends. He illegally used the IRS target and other federal agencies from the BATF to the NLRB to target and harass his political enemies. Under the disguise of developing “green” energy projects he directed taxpayer money to his politically connected cronies. And the Obama administration used his Department of Justice to spy on private citizens he didn’t like and his attorney general, Eric Holder, left office while being held in contempt of Congress for inhibiting the investigation of other Obama administration scandals. Those are some of the reasons I found Obama to be a shady and slimy president. So, if an administration was full of scandal, that means the President is "scummy". Surely, you will accept that the current administration is full of scandal. So explain to me, based on your own criteria and accepting that your basis is both valid and fair, why is it you fail to see that Trump is "scummy"? What scandals? Sure there is some stuff going on from before he was president that could be considered scandals, but what has he done while POTUS that you consider to be a scandal? Fire someone who should have been fired long before Trump did it?
everlast75 wrote: » notobtuse wrote: » He was going off the comments of the reporter, as I recall. You can't tell from written word that the writer has a disability. He said he never met the reporter, but guess what... I'll give ya two guesses.. the first don't count!"Kovaleski described a history of interactions with Trump that went back decades: “He met with Mr. Trump repeatedly when he was a reporter for The Daily News. ... ‘Donald and I were on a first-name basis for years. I’ve interviewed him in his office. I’ve talked to him at press conferences. All in all, I would say around a dozen times, I’ve interacted with him as a reporter while I was at The Daily News.”
notobtuse wrote: » What scandals? Sure there is some stuff going on from before he was president that could be considered scandals, but what has he done while POTUS that you consider to be a scandal? Fire someone who should have been fired long before Trump did it?
notobtuse wrote: » Seems Trump didn't remember him as well as the reporter remembered Trump.
notobtuse wrote: I remember that incident. Trump was making the gesture of a deranged person. He didn't know the guy was disabled.
notobtuse wrote: » Trump has probably met hundreds of thousands of people and probably thousands of reporters. I wouldn't expect anyone to remember everyone. Seems Trump didn't remember him as well as the reporter remembered Trump.
Thepoet85 wrote: » notobtuse wrote: I remember that incident. Trump was making the gesture of a deranged person. He didn't know the guy was disabled. He most certainly did.
[font=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif]I have no idea who this reporter, Serge Kovalski [sic], is, what he looks like or his level of intelligence. I don’t know if he is J.J. Watt or Muhammad Ali in his prime or somebody of less athletic or physical ability. Despite having one of the all-time great memories, I certainly do not remember him.[/font][font=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif]I merely mimicked what I thought would be a flustered reporter trying to get out of a statement he made long ago. If Mr. Kovaleski is handicapped, I would not know because I do not know what he looks like. If I did know, I would definitely not say anything about his appearance.[/font]
notobtuse wrote: What scandals? Sure there is some stuff going on from before he was president that could be considered scandals, but what has he done while POTUS that you consider to be a scandal? Fire someone who should have been fired long before Trump did it?
notobtuse wrote: Here is Trump comment on the subject...
