flutered wrote: » the new party when and if it launches, will not be allowed to get traction
Sam Russell wrote: » Do not forget the Daily Express readers, or the Telegraph readers - they are just as rabid when it comes to immigrants.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Of course. It's an absurd, petty, ill-conceived and malevolent policy designed to sate the right wing of the Conservative party and Daily Mail readers.
Enzokk wrote: » Well if her style of management is to delegate decision making to others she has to take responsibility for those decisions. It was her decision to trust others but the ultimate responsibility lies with the Home Secretary. Did anyone get fired for those vans? If not it seems to me that she was comfortable with the decision that was made.
Enzokk wrote: » As to whether she is racist/xenophobic, she was the only one of the ministers right after the referendum to not want to guarantee EU citizens their rights. Why?
Enzokk wrote: » Brexit: Theresa May blocked plan to guarantee rights of EU citizens in the UK immediately after referendum James O'Brien made the analogy on the hostile environment for illegal immigrants. If as a shop keeper you set out a policy that makes a hostile environment for shoplifters, you will inconvenience your other shoppers in the process. That is what we are seeing now, and that is what we will see with Brexit and EU citizens. To kick out the illegal EU immigrants the policies put in place will be an inconvenience to legal EU citizens. In the process, as we see with the Windrush story, innocent EU migrants will be treated with the same threats to try and catch the few illegal ones.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Yes they will. They'll turn anyone without an English/Scottish/Welsh accent. And the Irish will be in the firing line again - I experienced some severe racism in England in the late 80s/early 90s. It's not so long ago.
MBSnr wrote: » Yeah - Must catch up on the 100s of missing episodes.. I might be able to predict the future afterwards
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Thomas__. wrote: » That is exactly one of the examples I was referring to in general. The harassment of Polish people living in the UK started the time the BrexitRef result was announced and continued for days in a row across the whole of England in which there was a majority vote for leave. There are plenty of stories on this topic, interview videos on the BBC and elsewhere. Some people have downplayed this, but I always opposed that by saying that the Poles are just the first they have a go at, other nationalities will not be excluded when it suits the bigot thugs. Just like some Irish expat I met on another online-forum. That chap was a far-right supporter, anti-Muslim and in approval of the EDL and Britain First. He is probably still convinced that just because he's Irish he'll have nothing to fear from them. I often told him that he might be most certainly be proved wrong by the very people he sympathises with, but to no avail. When things get worse, and after a hard Brexit is what the UK is about to exit the EU with, they will get worse and the bigot racists will have a go at anybody that doesn't looks like a stereotype Brit. With a govt like this present one in charge, they certainly feel free to act as they please. Yes they will. They'll turn anyone without an English/Scottish/Welsh accent. And the Irish will be in the firing line again - I experienced some severe racism in England in the late 80s/early 90s. It's not so long ago. The Irish will be demonised for a hard Brexit if the Border Issue isn't solved. There have been some fresh shoots of anti-Irish sentiment recently, not least from the new UKIP leader last November when he tweeted:UK threatened by Ireland. A tiny country that relies on UK for its existence. We should advise, we are free to revoke common travel area. Which he followed up with:Ireland is like the weakest kid in the playground sucking up to the EU bullies.
Thomas__. wrote: » That is exactly one of the examples I was referring to in general. The harassment of Polish people living in the UK started the time the BrexitRef result was announced and continued for days in a row across the whole of England in which there was a majority vote for leave. There are plenty of stories on this topic, interview videos on the BBC and elsewhere. Some people have downplayed this, but I always opposed that by saying that the Poles are just the first they have a go at, other nationalities will not be excluded when it suits the bigot thugs. Just like some Irish expat I met on another online-forum. That chap was a far-right supporter, anti-Muslim and in approval of the EDL and Britain First. He is probably still convinced that just because he's Irish he'll have nothing to fear from them. I often told him that he might be most certainly be proved wrong by the very people he sympathises with, but to no avail. When things get worse, and after a hard Brexit is what the UK is about to exit the EU with, they will get worse and the bigot racists will have a go at anybody that doesn't looks like a stereotype Brit. With a govt like this present one in charge, they certainly feel free to act as they please.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » From an incident in Hull last Sunday: "A Polish man was chased by a group of 20 men and beaten with a nailed plank of wood in a “racially aggravated assault” in Hull, police have said. Friends of the man, who has not been named, said they were chased by 20 men after being overheard speaking Polish." And: "The racist attack follows repeated warnings about a recent spike in violent crime on Orchard Park. Three people were stabbed in less than a month on the estate between February and March, including a 21-year-old woman who was killed. The friend of the Polish victim attacked on Sunday said he was scared to leave his home and that it was not the first time the group had been racially abused. He said he had been trying to move out of Orchard Park for more than six months. “This sort of thing happens nearly every day to Polish people here,” he told the Hull Daily Mail. “I have been living here for five or six years, and to start with I didn’t have any problems. Then the gangs started to realise I was Polish, and I have had problems ever since. Everyone is worried about it now. It is definitely getting worse.”"
ancapailldorcha wrote: » I've read in Tim Shipman's book, Fall Out that May afforded vast amounts of power and control to her "chiefs", Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill. This was probably what cost her the election. It stands to reason that they were allowed to run amok in the Home Office before she became PM. The Conservative party manifesto was written by Timothy and Ben Gumner with senior ministers like Jeremy Hunt having no input nor idea what was in store for their departments. I don't know if she is racist. She might just think that the country is overpopulated. She even shoehorned her "tens of thousands" soundbyte in a speech gave before the referendum supporting Remain which resulted in her being sidelined. It's been Conservative party policy for some time so it's hardly anachronistic though why they just didn't cut EU migration back in 2010 and then actually try to work with the EU on some sort of compromise before this referendum is beyond me.
Theresa May single-handedly blocked a plan to immediately guarantee the future rights of the 3m EU citizens in the UK last summer, George Osborne has revealed. The then-Home Secretary was the only member of the Cabinet to oppose David Cameron, who “wanted to reassure EU citizens they would be allowed to stay”, after Brexit.
EdgeCase wrote: » MBSnr: It's pretty universal. The Simpsons even captured it with their episode where Springfield votes on Proposition 24 which was a proposal to deport all immigrants. It was based on the fact that Mayor Quimby needed to create a smoke screen and find a scapegoat to blame a $5 tax increase on. The tax was increased to pay for a populist move responding to a demand for expensive Bear Patrol, driven by anti-bear hysteria. Anyway, it turns out that Homer doesn't realise Apu is an immigrant and suddenly changes his mind having been a diehard proponent of the proposal, having realised that he knows someone in the situation. Also it gets revealed Mo is actually an undocumented immigrant and nobody ever noticed. In the end, the proposition passes by a 95% majority, despite what looks like a successful campaign against it, but the only person deported is Groundskeeper Willie.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Much_Apu_About_Nothing Back in the 1990s that show was an amazingly accurate cultural mirror.
MBSnr wrote: » Thomas__. wrote: » I am sorry to say that even when considering the comments of her opponents in the British media, there is still a certain percentage of British people who either are in full support of her or give their tacit approval by doing nothing and saying nothing against it. In some ways, they just let the ugly face of the sneaky and tricksy Brit rear his head. Yeap kind of it alright - saying nothing. From my experience it's a broad brush, generalisation thing that's instilled. How often have I read/heard similar to the below."We hate immigrants, but the Indian doctor who saved my wife's life is lovely". "Send them all home... oh except Pawel. He's a great plumber". However you could apply the above statements to Ireland and many other countries as well... Perhaps not on the same scale, but we certainly can't say the Brits are unique in this attitude. As for sneaky and tricksy - It's the UK Gov. and politicians that are sneaky and tend to be the one's that try to pull a fast one. This trickles down somewhat to the more vocal, outspoken elements of society, but overall the vast amount of the UK general public aren't in the same vein as their Gov., which has managed to come across particularly badly in regards to Brexit (and their attitude to Ireland).
Thomas__. wrote: » I am sorry to say that even when considering the comments of her opponents in the British media, there is still a certain percentage of British people who either are in full support of her or give their tacit approval by doing nothing and saying nothing against it. In some ways, they just let the ugly face of the sneaky and tricksy Brit rear his head.
J Mysterio wrote: » Absolutely. The comparisons to 'Mad Max wasteland' are more true than false
EdgeCase wrote: » The concern I would have is that GDP and similar indicators are just crude measures of economic activity. You have to drill down into what that GDP is being generated by. If it's just city trades, IP movements, etc it's as meaningless as Apple's accounting tweaks impacting GDP here. There's a lot of that goes on in the UK too due to the size of the financial sector and company HQs there. It's not entirely unlike Ireland in that regard, it's just bigger. The danger is that Brexit will impact real, nuts and bolts businesses and many of them are core job creators and income producers. I would caution against relying on the notion that you can easily sail through a 10% loss of GDP. It all depends which aspects of the economy are impacted.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Enzokk wrote: » But then this raises more questions than it answers. Did she have no control over her own department that a decision she made was approved and put into action as soon as she left the office? So she is not racist, she is just incompetent. I've read in Tim Shipman's book, Fall Out that May afforded vast amounts of power and control to her "chiefs", Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill. This was probably what cost her the election. It stands to reason that they were allowed to run amok in the Home Office before she became PM. The Conservative party manifesto was written by Timothy and Ben Gumner with senior ministers like Jeremy Hunt having no input nor idea what was in store for their departments. I don't know if she is racist. She might just think that the country is overpopulated. She even shoehorned her "tens of thousands" soundbyte in a speech gave before the referendum supporting Remain which resulted in her being sidelined. It's been Conservative party policy for some time so it's hardly anachronistic though why they just didn't cut EU migration back in 2010 and then actually try to work with the EU on some sort of compromise before this referendum is beyond me.
Enzokk wrote: » But then this raises more questions than it answers. Did she have no control over her own department that a decision she made was approved and put into action as soon as she left the office? So she is not racist, she is just incompetent.
Leroy42 wrote: » None of this seems to have been considered in any depth.
Home Secretary Theresa May has been criticised for claiming that an illegal immigrant avoided deportation because of his pet cat. ..."We all know the stories about the Human Rights Act... about the illegal immigrant who cannot be deported because, and I am not making this up, he had a pet cat." But a spokesman for the Judicial Office at the Royal Courts of Justice, which issues statements on behalf of senior judges, said the pet had "had nothing to do with" the judgement allowing the man to stay. Mrs May told the BBC her speech had been checked before it went out and that the case was "just one example" of where she believed the law was being misconstrued.
Although she received information on the need for RHI cost controls more than two years before the scheme ran out of control, Arlene Foster has said that she does not feel any personal responsibility for the failure to put those controls in place. In evidence to the public inquiry into the ‘cash for ash’ scandal, Mrs Foster accepted that the issue had been put to her in a written ministerial submission in June 2013 but said that the way in which the issue had been brought to her attention by her officials was incomplete and lacked any sense of urgency.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » If it indeed comes to pass that the UK is poorer after getting an inferior trading agreement with the EU as seems to be the most likely outcome.
Anthracite wrote: » I presume the invisible border IT project they are working on is on-budget and will be delivered within the year?
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