Gatling wrote: » Tell us all about russian media and censorship
Discodog wrote: » But did he ? He quotes a doctor & then adds that you can't rely on information from such sources. It's not unreasonable that people might associate children choking on dust as a gas attack especially when there have been dozens of such attacks. The retaliation by the West was justified if it makes Assad & Putin think twice about using chemical weapons in the future.
Tea drinker wrote: » You debunked (lol) Robert Fisks debunking in a short paragraph. Congrats, pulitzer for you. Or maybe just google the guy and you won't look foolish.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fisk
As Dr Assim Rahaibani announces this extraordinary conclusion, it is worth observing that he is by his own admission not an eyewitness himself and, as he speaks good English, he refers twice to the jihadi gunmen of Jaish el-Islam [the Army of Islam] in Douma as “terrorists” – the regime’s word for their enemies, and a term used by many people across Syria. Am I hearing this right? Which version of events are we to believe? Read more By bad luck, too, the doctors who were on duty that night on 7 April were all in Damascus giving evidence to a chemical weapons enquiry,
I was with my family in the basement of my home three hundred metres from here on the night but all the doctors know what happened.
A Syrian doctor has told how he was tortured and forced to watch other prisoners die in regime jails as a report reveals almost 18,000 detainees have died during the country’s brutal civil war. Amnesty International says an average of 10 people have been killed every day by beatings, disease and neglect in secretive detention facilities controlled by Bashar al-Assad’s forces over the past five years. Survivors have given horrific accounts of rape and abuse in overcrowded cells where prisoners are left to suffocate and succumb to illness or starvation. Bashar Farahat, a 32-year-old doctor, was working in a hospital in Latakia province when he was arrested by officers from Syria’s notorious Military Intelligence Directorate in July 2012. Bashar Farahat fled Syria after being imprisoned twice by government security forces (Amnesty International) “The minute you get in the car you disappear,” he told The Independent. “You don’t know anything about the world outside and the world outside doesn’t know anything about you. Once you are detained you become the property of the guards and the interrogators can do anything to you to get a confession.” Mr Farahat believes he was reported to the authorities for supporting anti-government protests and treating those injured in the ensuing regime crackdown. The trainee paediatrician was taken to the headquarters of the Military Intelligence branch in Latakia and subjected to a so-called “welcome party”, where new arrivals are beaten publicly by groups of officers armed with metal bars and electric cables.
Of course we must hear their side of the story
Gatling wrote: » More pro assputin propaganda independent yeah like all the other independent individuals you make claims Debunking lolz Isn't this the putins not appreciated thread
Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
jobbridge4life wrote: » Fisk offered an alternative take substantively on the basis of one Doctor's testimony. A doctor who used the same terminology for rebel forces as the regime itself. Fisk is a good journalist, and a good counterpoint to the rush to judgement that normally accompanies these kind of events. To claim that he has 'debunked' anything however is jumping many steps ahead of reality. He may be right, but it is not by any means conclusive.
Elmer Blooker wrote: » And? What exactly are you trying to say? Do you seriously think that Syrians, the VAST majority who are pro government are going to call foreign jihadists who invaded Syria "rebels"? They call them terrorists and foreigners. This "rebel" label put on these jihadists is a western invention for a gullible public who would believe anything and also to disguise the fact that western governments are supporting Islamists. Fisk is a fluent Arabic speaker and I would take what he says seriously.
jobbridge4life wrote: » Fisk offered an alternative take substantively on the basis of one Doctor's testimony. A doctor who used the same terminology for rebel forces as the regime itself.
Cheerful Spring wrote: » Looks like an independent researcher from the UK has debunked
Cheerful Spring wrote: » Looks like an independent researcher from the UK has debunked Putin and Assad carried out a Syrian chemical attack. Of course, the usual puppets will deny this. Fisk’s thought-provoking piece is centered around the witness accounts of Assim Rahaibani, a 58-year-old local doctor who told him that patients caught in the heart-wrenching video – the one claiming to show the aftermath of the alleged chemical weapons attacks in Douma – did not actually suffer from any toxins. They were “overcome not by gas but by oxygen starvation” because they had to live in rubbish-filled underground shelters in order to survive the perils of fighting. The doctor told the Independent reporter that on the night of April 7, when the alleged attack supposedly took place, “there was wind and huge dust clouds began to come into the basements and cellars where people lived.” Patients began to arrive in his subterranean hospital suffering from hypoxia and oxygen loss, Dr Rahaibani continued. “Then someone at the door, a ‘White Helmet’, shouted “gas!” and a panic began. People started throwing water over each other.” He added: “Yes, the video was filmed here, it is genuine, but what you see are people suffering from hypoxia – not gas poisoning.”
Cheerful Spring wrote: » Looks like an independent researcher from the UK has debunked Putin and Assad carried out a Syrian chemical attack. Lots more about Syria attacks.
el diablo wrote: » So would you consider Russia and Putin to currently be a bigger threat to world peace and stability than the US? Would you condemn the US for the massive amounts of deaths to innocent civilians, chaos and destruction that has resulted from their foreign policy over the last several decades? Russia and Putin are choirboys in comparison.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » not forgetting spending hundreds of millions on football players who cant be arsed.
Billy86 wrote: » The US is at #31 and #43 in the link I gave to you initially, the same post where I already answered that in a post you already responded to? And it's not the cold weather, as Norway, Sweden, Iceland and Canada are all in the top 20 on both lists (with Finland at #21 and #26, respectively). It's fair to say closing 28 hospitals and laying off 10,000 healthcare staff in Moscow alone, while Putin and his oligarch buddies horde all the wealth into their own castles and giant yachts and the like, is one of the main causes of life expectancy in Russia being so far down the list as to be in line with North Korea.
Gringo180 wrote: » Another thing. How does the US compare with the top 35 OECD nations?
Billy86 wrote: » Gringo180 wrote: » And yet it still provides free healthcare to all its citizens. Unlike the richest country in the world, were military spending seems more important than there peoples well being. You'll struggle to find almost anyone here who thinks the US healthcare system is (edit) anything but a rotten joke, but that's hardly an area to be bragging about when life expectancy in Russia ranks below North Korea, Kyrgyzstan, Guatemala and Suriname as per the WHO, at #110 in the entire world. And Syria, Iraq, Belize, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, etc by the UN (though beating North Korea out by about 1-2 weeks' expectancy!), who have them at #126 in the world. For reference the US is #31 and #43 respectively in those lists; Ireland is at #19 and #23 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
Gringo180 wrote: » And yet it still provides free healthcare to all its citizens. Unlike the richest country in the world, were military spending seems more important than there peoples well being.
Billy86 wrote: » You'll struggle to find almost anyone here who thinks the US healthcare system is (edit) anything but a rotten joke, but that's hardly an area to be bragging about when life expectancy in Russia ranks below North Korea, Kyrgyzstan, Guatemala and Suriname as per the WHO, at #110 in the entire world. And Syria, Iraq, Belize, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, etc by the UN (though beating North Korea out by about 1-2 weeks' expectancy!), who have them at #126 in the world. For reference the US is #31 and #43 respectively in those lists; Ireland is at #19 and #23 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
Cheerful Spring wrote: » Reports of heavy clashes in Syria now involving Hezbollah and Israel. Reports of bases hit and huge explosion near the Golan Heights.
False Alarm in Syria: Military Sources Says No Attack Overnight
Beasty wrote: » The problem is it's not funny for anyone who gets caught up in his actions, be it a target or someone like those screaming kids being caught up in the crossfire suffering the effects of chemical weapons He's certainly having his desired effect of causing maximum disruption pretty much throughout the world, and destabilising countries that believe in democracy and freedom The fact we find people in this country actually supporting his tyrannic regime is arguably the most worrying point
gandalf wrote: » Lol Putin standing up to evil ROFLOL!!! Oh god please post more this is comedy gold
