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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

JCX BXC

The seat map for the B767-200 being leased by EI next year are available on the Aer Lingus website, the seating is 2,3,2 in economy (As was suspected) and 2,2,2 in business

There are 189 economy seats and 12 Business seats making a total of the reported 201 seats.

Anyone know whether the B767 will be repainted, partially or entirely, in the EI colours for the 6 months that its leased for?

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JCX BXC

Missed the between.

Such flights would be operated like the current A330 service to Malaga, which to be honest I see as being restricted, at least until the new runway is built at DUB.

Marcusm

HTCOne wrote: »

Agreed. It’s like WOW air’s registrations all being words, TF-MOM, DAD etc, Virgin having ones like G-VSXY, G-VGAL, or BA registering their B744s with the Roman numerals for 400 and 777s with the numeral for 7. United have UA at the end of many of their registrations, Delta have DL on many. It’s a common little thing airlines do. Nerdy I know

BA’s 744s started at G-BNLA - reputed to stand for Boeing New Large Aircraft

The 772s were in three runs

G-ZZZa etc - the Zs looking like 7s
G-VIIa etc - VII for 7
G-YMMa - year 200

The 773s came as G-STBa supposedly to stand for Short term Boeing - they were taken on when the Dreamliner deliveries were delayed!

LXFlyer

JCX BXC wrote: »

Missed the between.

Such flights would be operated like the current A330 service to Malaga, which to be honest I see as being restricted, at least until the new runway is built at DUB.

Well if Mike Rutter went public on it I think it’s a lot more possible than you think!!

HTCOne

Marcusm wrote: »

BA’s 744s started at G-BNLA - reputed to stand for Boeing New Large Aircraft

The 772s were in three runs

G-ZZZa etc - the Zs looking like 7s
G-VIIa etc - VII for 7
G-YMMa - year 200

The 773s came as G-STBa supposedly to stand for Short term Boeing - they were taken on when the Dreamliner deliveries were delayed!

They do loads of things like that, can’t remember if it’s the flight to or from SEA, but the callsign is BAW5EA, 5 looking like an S

Tenger

JCX BXC wrote: »

Really?

What would be the point in purchasing aircraft for Transalantic ops, and then not using them on such?

Why not ask EI?

I also watched the PHL route press confetence and heard this quote from the COO. Its make a lot of sense from a commercial POV. EI already use a "transatlantic aircraft" on DUB-AGP during the summer.
So Im going to assume EI have a good indication of the demand for an 'upgraded experience' on certain routes.

In relation to "B757 replacement", well the B757 was originallly seen as a stopgap before A321LR delivery. 4 B757 in service, 12 A321LR planned. So a little more than 'a replacement' at present.
EI plan to take delivery of 4 A321LR in 2019 while letting go of a single B757. The other 3 will not be there in summer 2020. (Source, IAG investor day Nov 2017)

And in point of fact an airline will aim to utilise its fleet in the most efficient manner to maximise profit margin. Thus each can be deployed as they see fit.

goingnowhere

Only real difference between an LR and regular NEO really is the extra fuel tanks. You are paying for the higher MTOW for ATC.

I would expect EI to run the A321neolr hard, keep it flying and owing to the TATL trips there is a huge lump of unused time in the day to fly eu

It would be a massive and disruptive play to operate some EU routes in the morning peak, only EU carrier with proper business class in a narrow body in EU?

Comhrá

goingnowhere wrote: »

Only real difference between an LR and regular NEO really is the extra fuel tanks. You are paying for the higher MTOW for ATC.

I would expect EI to run the A321neolr hard, keep it flying and owing to the TATL trips there is a huge lump of unused time in the day to fly eu

It would be a massive and disruptive play to operate some EU routes in the morning peak, only EU carrier with proper business class in a narrow body in EU?

As far as I know, EI don't offer a business class service on the A330 aircraft on Malaga flights. I think they just offer the use of the business class seats for an upcharge of something like 60 Euro or thereabouts.

Tenger

Yup. Its a seat upgrade on their DUB-AGP/FAO summer A330 ops.

They were talking about offering "AerSpace" on shorthaul a few years ago. The IAG takeover halted that. So perhaps it is back on track for intro with the A321LRs, also allows them to seat ppl from J Class on their TA route up there?

Bussywussy

GFZ will be the next reg of that A330 (if it's ready)

Jamie2k9

A330-200 heading to BIO next month for the rugby:

11 May 14.20 ex DUB
12 May 07.05 ex DUB, 23.25 ex BIO
13 May 17.45 ex BIO

If Munster win they will have to look for more crew I suspect to allow the spare operate as well. Just as well its before SEA starts and the peak short haul season.

L1011

Presume there's enough runway in ORK for a 332 to get to BIO handily enough?

goingnowhere

Sure is

The aircraft is in Dublin as are the crew

Cork is isn't setup
1. A330 tow bar (probably has one)
2. Stairs to reach a wide body (need 2)
3. Spare luggage containers as A330 is container storage (have to fly them in empty in advance)
4. If you land 17 can a A330 make the 180 at the end
5. The only stand that can take a A330 is on the cargo apron, so no jet bridge
6. Ground staff trained on type?

A bit of schedule voodoo could make it work out of Shannon, but Cork lots of hassle, only option EI could play is the A321

roundymac

L1011 wrote: »

Presume there's enough runway in ORK for a 332 to get to BIO handily enough?

Plenty of runway. I flew to Toulose in a 744 belonging to Atlanta Icelandic, we won't need baggage containers, it'll be a day trip. The CUP can fit in the cabin.:D:D:D

[Deleted User]

roundymac wrote: »

Plenty of runway. I flew to Toulose in a 744 belonging to Atlanta Icelandic, we won't need baggage containers, it'll be a day trip. The CUP can fit in the cabin.:D:D:D

Why would Leinster be flying via Cork ?

roundymac

Deleted User wrote: »

Why would Leinster be flying via Cork ?

To watch Munster getting a civic reception when we return as champions.:D

john boye

roundymac wrote: »

To watch Munster getting a civic reception when we return as champions.:D

How's that going?

JCX BXC

john boye wrote: »

How's that going?

Great......:(

rushfan

roundymac wrote:

To watch Munster getting a civic reception when we return as champions.

They do civic receptions for getting to the semis now yeah????

Comhrá

rushfan wrote: »

They do civic receptions for getting to the semis now yeah????

Or not...

Tenger

It would have been an event to have an all Irish final in Bilbao. Alas not to be. Lets get back on track.

A319er

I was at a few meetings and heard general discussion around providing a business product BDLDUB EDI/gla/man/bhx as well as key Euro cities

High yield y and j pax want the same hard product USA to U.K. P

E.g. BDL Dub EDI has significant traffic for Ei , especially as DY have pulled their non stop route. EI know that the ATR experience is not what pax want when paying j fares so I believe the first A321 service will be to those heavy connecting routes like EDI FRA CDG AMS LHR as well as UKP .

IAG want a business product on EI short haul so it will likely happen

BDL has about 60 pax per flight going onwards to UK and EUR with EDI Lhr and CDg the biggest.

UA DL can offer CDG and FRA via DUB in j , EI will compete !

goingnowhere

It's all going to be A321 LR with the lie flat bed seat

LHR/LGW/FRA/AMS/CDG likely destinations but others such as DUS/MUC possible. Could even see Madrid in the mix for Iberia connectivity. Would be hard to justify a A321 on most UK routes where even an ATR is more than enough most of the time. LHR could be interesting as it would need to have an evening option in both directions also

You might see a middle seat free offering on secondary routes. The best offering currently is an empty middle seat with Lufthansa or CityJet.

Nibs05

Interesting if it holds any credibility.

goingnowhere

EI isn't going to leave 12 A321's sitting on the apron for 6 hours a day in Dublin and Shannon doing nothing

Kcormahs

goingnowhere wrote: »

EI isn't going to leave 12 A321's sitting on the apron for 6 hours a day in Dublin and Shannon doing nothing

I had heard they were considering overnighiting a few aircrafts (wonder if 321s or just 320) abroad in key cities like CDG AMS in order to create room in DUB at T2/south gates but also to have earlier departures from a few cities where connecting traffic is intense but the flight connection time is tight

L1011

Nibs05 wrote: »

Interesting if it holds any credibility.

That is a direct quote from the 2008 announcement with IAG added to the end (as EI were independent then). So no credibility.

Tenger

Nibs05 wrote: »

Interesting if it holds any credibility.
..........

Looks like the guy posted the wrong link. His twitter feed shows the EI Olympics story and and IAG ‘adopts connected aircraft solution to reduce carbon emissions “ story.

Guess he accidentally posted that several year old A350/A333 order story.

adam88

I know euro city’s are big business for ei TA operations but I just can’t understand why someone would transit through Dublin especially if departing from lhr. Surely the fairs can’t be that cheaper, and the time saved with pre-clearance is cancelled out by the length of time wasted with flying to Dublin and he transit etc.

Locker10a

adam88 wrote: »

I know euro city’s are big business for ei TA operations but I just can’t understand why someone would transit through Dublin especially if departing from lhr. Surely the fairs can’t be that cheaper, and the time saved with pre-clearance is cancelled out by the length of time wasted with flying to Dublin and he transit etc.

You’d be surprised the choices people make just because something is €10,20,30 quid cheaper.
I’d say most of the connections business focuses on U.K. regions that don’t have direct routes as well as places in the US like BDL where they are the only transatlantic option with connections.
Of course after that you’ll pick up traffic from the major routes who’ll stop over if it’s cheaper than the direct.

Irish Steve

There are also some advantages in being able to pre clear immigration in Dublin, especially in the larger airports where the queues to clear can be lengthy.