Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Have you deliberately ignored where i explicitly expressed empathy for either a girl raped, or a girl in tears? You seem to have. Its a pity because you're now just repeating yourself. A girl in tears certainly does not mean she was raped. There are several reasons that could explain wby a girl is in tears, one of which could be rape. But it isnt evidence of rape. You need to divest yourself of this notion, and stop repeating it enough times in the hope it will make it true in some way. It was an asendum to a paragraph where i doubted the lads were top shaggers as they claimed. What is wrong with the logic though, lets tease it out: Women enjoys sex with famous sports star? Ends up with two of them? Bonus? I know if i pulled a famous sportstar, lets say Anna kourinikova, and in the middle of it on walked Maria Sharapova in her undies id be thrilled. Men generally prefer MFF rather than MMF. But hang on, are you saying maybe we're not equal afterall? That a women couldnt enjoy a threesome? Thats a serious contention.
jm08 wrote: » I know a young woman while in rooms in college, invited a friend (who she knew through her boyfriend) into her room to watch a movie. He raped her. I'd imagine you would think it was her fault for being foolish enough to invite him into her room. She thought no one would believe her, so she never reported it.
meeeeh wrote: » You don't have to but use the same standards for yourself as you do for others.
Deleted User wrote: » meeeeh wrote: » They were rightfully cleared of rape, the evidence just wasn't enough. But your opinion that it was just a threesome she regreted is also pure speculation. Versions of events from all involved were pretty confused so you can only make a conclusion it was just sex she regretted because it's a conclusion that suits certain narrative. Dara Florence very detailed testimony is highly indictive of the fact that the accuser could well have been a case that she hugely regretted consenting to what was a very debasing experience for her.
meeeeh wrote: » They were rightfully cleared of rape, the evidence just wasn't enough. But your opinion that it was just a threesome she regreted is also pure speculation. Versions of events from all involved were pretty confused so you can only make a conclusion it was just sex she regretted because it's a conclusion that suits certain narrative.
AudreyHepburn wrote: » If I have learned one thing from this whole debacle it’s that far from being an enlightened and forward thinking country when it comes to sexual matters we still seem to be trapped in a 19th century mindset where sex is something a man does to a woman rather than it being a consensual act between two people. As a woman this really bothers me - on the one hand my fellow women go on about wanting equality and being seen as strong and liberated and independent yet on the other hand they can’t revert to the victim mentality quick enough when it comes to their interactions with men I think it’s time we start acting like the grown women we are and take responsibility for ourselves and our choices. That’s what a truly strong woman does. She doesn’t revert to man hating and acting like a victim to get her way.
Sardonicat wrote: » I'm aware of that. He was acquired of that charge, so apparently it can't explain the tear that required a suture to stop the bleeding. It must have been all the oral sex cos Jackson didn't fist her. Why did she go into a room with someone she didn't know? For a snog? Ever done that? And to retrieve a handbag that she left in the room later. Are you actually suggesting that the only reason to enter the room was for sex?
[Deleted User] wrote: » Dara Florence very detailed testimony is highly indictive of the fact that the accuser could well have been a case that she hugely regretted consenting to what was a very debasing experience for her.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Im suggesting you should not enter a strangers bedroom because if it does go to court it could make it that bit harder to prove. Common sense.
Faugheen wrote: » Francie, which part of the post have I said or even suggested it should have been otherwise? Seriously, read it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what I've said in it. I haven't said the lads raped her, I haven't said they should have been found guilty. I've simply said that she felt she could have been and the lads were none the wiser. I even said you can't convict based off all that. Seriously, why do I have to explain myself every single time to you when you simply refuse to read what the post even says?
givyjoe wrote: » A careless drunken finger could, or of course paddy could have razors a top of his flaccid penis.
Deleted User wrote: » Your a breath of fresh air in this world in which dumb people are increasingly trying to suffocate us.
skearnsot wrote: » OMG I LOVE YOU!! I’m fed up listening to women like that and I work with a ****load of them! I’m quite happy to be as strong and as independent as is possible but there are times when I just need a male perspective/help/touch etc! The nicest boss Iv ever had is a man!!! Iv no time whatsoever for women’s ......... i dunno what the hell to call it apart from BS
Silentcorner wrote: » She was sobbing for the best part of half an hour!!! So, unless she had a leg chopped off I think we can rule out soreness. If it was humiliation that caused that reaction, then it was some humiliation!! There are holes in everyones stories, including Dara Florence. What do you think she wasn't able to handle?
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Youve implied incorrectly as i hope my subsequent post clarified, to which youve responded. So was that a withdrawal or a doubling down? Or am i still judgmental?
jm08 wrote: » Dara Florence also thought that PJ was having penetrative sex with her which he denied.
skearnsot wrote: » Iv been humiliated by a man when Iv has drink taken - and I sobbed for an hour!!!!! When I sobered up and thought about it the next day I realised what the man had said to me the night before was in fact correct at the time - drink and emotions can be like fire and gasoline
Silentcorner wrote: » What?? A man said something, that humiliated you (at least you felt humiliated) and you sobbed for an hour!!! And then the next day you realised he was right? I'm sorry to asking this, because I think the state that young lady was in is important, I may be placing more importance than I should, but what did he say that was that upsetting? Had you had much to drink?
meeeeh wrote: » No you went on a rant about how women can enjoy sex as much as anyone. I actually don't know exactly what you were on about except to imply it has something to do with me having moralistic attitude to sex. It's completely nonsense (about my attitude to sex) and not something I would bother replying to.
Deleted User wrote: » This is a very different scenario and yeah i do feel a huge degree of sympathy for the girl here. She invited him into the room to watch a movie believing they had a purely platonic friendship. There was no key witness to contradict her evidence here but also none to prove this crime. Its a pity she didnt report it because a good prosecuting barrister may have caught him out in court. In the Jackson case there was a key witness which completely contradicted the claimants tale of events. My theory in this case is that the girl felt a fool and wanted to save face. Some rape claims are bogus and some are genuine. Thats just the way it goes.
Silentcorner wrote: » What?? A man said something, that humiliated you (at least you felt humiliated) and you sobbed for an hour!!! And then the next day you realised he was right? I'm sorry to be asking this, because I think the state that young lady was in is important, I may be placing more importance than I should, but what did he say that was that upsetting? Had you had much to drink?
Sardonicat wrote: » I take it you follow your own advice and also don't invite strangers into yours.
Silentcorner wrote: » She was sobbing for the best part of half an hour!!!
FrancieBrady wrote: » Faugheen wrote: » Francie, which part of the post have I said or even suggested it should have been otherwise? Seriously, read it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what I've said in it. I haven't said the lads raped her, I haven't said they should have been found guilty. I've simply said that she felt she could have been and the lads were none the wiser. I even said you can't convict based off all that. Seriously, why do I have to explain myself every single time to you when you simply refuse to read what the post even says? Because of your repeatedly slanted posts that make it seem that it was all stacked against the complainant. The prosecution worked just as hard as the defence at their job, but you neglect to mention that, why is that I wonder?
skearnsot wrote: » Should it matter how much or what he said?
Deleted User wrote: » No he denied putting his whole hand inside her but said he penetrated her with his fingers consentsually. See count 2.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/belfast-rape-trial-what-are-the-charges-and-what-must-jury-do-to-reach-verdicts-1.3440548
Appledreams15 wrote: » I noticed today that I did something different because of this thread. My colleague asked to go for a walk with me today, to a river. On the way he asked to stop at his appartment to pick up something. I said, ok, I will wait for you outside. And I did. I realise, especially after reading some of the comments on this thread, "she shouldnt have gone to his house" etc., that I am not safe going into a man's appartment, and that I must protect myself.
Faugheen wrote: » So she was afraid of her reputation being damaged she decided having a 2 years before a 9 week trial in which she was questioned for 8 days and had her underwear shown in open court was a better idea?
AudreyHepburn wrote: » I never said it was gospel, just that it was something I read. I also recall there being texts between the girl and friends where there was talk of her pretending she didn’t know who they were. It’s just a bit odd that they’d do that I suppose.
meeeeh wrote: » Why would anyone drink if they cry when drunk. Surely you would make sure not to drink and put yourself in that position.
upandcumming wrote: » And?
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