nav[aria-label="Primary Navigation"] { padding: 0; & ul { list-style: none; width: 100%; display: flex; flex-direction: row; justify-content: start; align-items: start; gap: 30px; padding: 0; & li { margin: 0; } & ul li { list-style: none; } } }

Child Item

Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

Quin_Dub

This thread is for the continuing discussion of Donald Trumps's presidency in the US and any related matters.

Please ensure that you are familiar with the charter before posting.

Thanks.

Find more posts tagged with

Quick Links

Comments

Hande hoche!

Will be intrigued as to whether he gets a bump in approval rate, similar to last time.

aloyisious wrote: »

one side effect to this is that Don, due to his position as president, will likely be untouchable for a while. It doesn't do good to target a president in time of warfare, something he can't have planned for to fortify his position but he won't walk away from. However, if he keeps up his normal tweeting habit, he'll lessen any help he's going to get from the current US position, so if I was him him, I'd ditch the keyboard for a while.

That will also make an impact.

dudara

^^ I hate to tell him, but they all sold out their morals a long time ago for Donald Trump.

If Trump has done anything, he has shown how many self-serving, spineless politicians and adulating media people who have forgotten how to be journalists there are.

everlast75

Just pondering Trump's base and who exactly stokes it.

If it is infowars, then i believe that this is the first time there was all out criticism of Trump. This may be an interesting turning point for some

*disclaimer - Alex Jones is a bloated windbag who reminds me of Glenn Beck*

https://twitter.com/funder/status/985021732850462720?s=19

jooksavage

Very little about the Steele dossier sounded inconsistent with the actors involved but it was ultimately undermed by purported factual errors, like the claim about Cohen in Prague. If that turns out to actually be true... well, its not going to change the minds of the base who never had a problem with collusion anyway but i do wonder if it will have any impact on influential Rs like Grassley and Graham, who not long ago were pushing for charges against Steele himself.

everlast75

mcmoustache wrote: »

In the US or europe? Because if he was in Prague and denied it, it makes the dossier's allegations a bit more compelling.

It's weird. It's like all those things people thought about Trump keep turning out to be true. I had my doubts about the piss tape but now, who knows?

Yep. You can add to this that Cohen said he showed DJT his passport and DJT confirmed it showed he was not in Prague.

So either Cohen is lying about Trump knowing or Trump knowingly lied.

But then again, this is just one more shovel of BS on an already insurmountable pile so...

everlast75

Trump tweets that he will fire rockets into Syria.

People criticize his hypocrisy in slating Obama for warning of military action - so he literally contradicts himself and says he wasn't committing to firing rockets.

He then fires rockets.

This, all within days of each other.

I am sick and tired of his lies.

Not to mention another branch of his hypocrisy..

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/373581528405905408?s=19

mcmoustache

2 Scoops wrote: »

CNN confirmed he was in the country, take that as you may.

In the US or europe? Because if he was in Prague and denied it, it makes the dossier's allegations a bit more compelling.

It's weird. It's like all those things people thought about Trump keep turning out to be true. I had my doubts about the piss tape but now, who knows?

aloyisious

DubInMeath wrote: »

How so as I'm travelling at the moment and not able to keep up with things as much as I want to.

Pres Obama committed US ground forces to Syria to fight ISIS in 2015, they've been there on the ground since then, the forces Don was talking about withdrawing last week from Syria before the chemical attack overtook anything he had in mind and forced his response with his alllies. The Syrians and Russians would presumably know the locations of those US Pers. One thing I'd be worried about is if any iranian forces in Syria were hit. The Iranian Nat Guard have naval forces and have used ight craft on suicidal missions in the past against foreign naval craft. That would be something outside Russian control.

Edit: one side effect to this is that Don, due to his position as president, will likely be untouchable for a while. It doesn't do good to target a president in time of warfare, something he can't have planned for to fortify his position but he won't walk away from. However, if he keeps up his normal tweeting habit, he'll lessen any help he's going to get from the current US position, so if I was him him, I'd ditch the keyboard for a while.

[Deleted User]

aloyisious wrote: »

Committments were there when he took over. He is cynical when it comes to using authority but this time he was bypassed by events ordered by other main players, things outside his control.

How so as I'm travelling at the moment and not able to keep up with things as much as I want to.

aloyisious

DubInMeath wrote: »

Not that the chenical attacks were not a terrible incident, But is this just not another distraction attempt by Trump given he said numerous times on the campaign trail that the U.S. should not become invloved in foreign conflicts?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-military/trump-lays-out-non-interventionist-u-s-military-policy-idUSKBN13W06L

Committments were there when he took over. He is cynical when it comes to using authority but this time he was bypassed by events ordered by other main players, things outside his control. One point to note so far, it's the boss making the announcement. If he's keeps on being the sole speaker, or has his White House press rep doing the speaking instead of the General/Admirals in charge of the field Ops, then he's making a point to them.

I'll wait to see if the US is using Turkish air bases like the UK is using Akrotiri in Cyprus.

[Deleted User]

aloyisious wrote: »

Don has just given a presidential address to the US. It's a go on the attack. CNN reporting US special Forces on the ground in Syria, explosions heard in Damascus. Don mentioned Qatar as one of the US allies in the region. He asked the Russians to stand b their committments of several years ago to stop Syria producing chemical weapons, recalling WW! a hundred years ago.

Not that the chenical attacks were not a terrible incident, But is this just not another distraction attempt by Trump given he said numerous times on the campaign trail that the U.S. should not become invloved in foreign conflicts?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-military/trump-lays-out-non-interventionist-u-s-military-policy-idUSKBN13W06L

aloyisious

Don has just given a presidential address to the US. It's a go on the attack. CNN reporting US special Forces on the ground in Syria, explosions heard in Damascus. Don mentioned Qatar as one of the US allies in the region. He asked the Russians to stand b their committments of several years ago to stop Syria producing chemical weapons, recalling WW! a hundred years ago. This is something Don cannot walk away from or deny, He's committed his country to warfare, no matter how limited, it's part of his historical record.

derb12

Trump announcing strikes on Syria happening now in agreement with uk and France.
Interesting times!
I think this is the right action, assuming missiles are hitting military targets.
Trump seems a bit breathless delivering his speech. He seems really nervous!
Also, interestingly, he has mentioned Qatar and Saudi Arabia as friends. I guess that ends the blockade!

2 Scoops

mcmoustache wrote: »

But, he showed us the outside of his passport.

CNN confirmed he was in the country, take that as you may.

everlast75

Even if Mueller is fired, or his report is ignored, the SDNY will continue with their investigation.

So, there's a little bit of karma in that the good prople of NYC, who had to put up with DJT for years, will be the ones who bring him down....

derb12

I heard a nice line this evening.
Basically along the lines of "Cohen isn't really trump's attorney, he's more of a fixer ... And there's no such thing as fixer-client privilege"

everlast75

mcmoustache wrote: »

But, he showed us the outside of his passport.

He will be handing it in shortly...

mcmoustache

Mumha wrote: »

Hohoho and I only mentioned this today !

>
WASHINGTON

The Justice Department special counsel has evidence that Donald Trump’s personal lawyer and confidant, Michael Cohen, secretly made a late-summer trip to Prague during the 2016 presidential campaign, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Confirmation of the trip would lend credence to a retired British spy’s report that Cohen strategized there with a powerful Kremlin figure about Russian meddling in the U.S. election.

It would also be one of the most significant developments thus far in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of whether the Trump campaign and the Kremlin worked together to help Trump win the White House. Undercutting Trump’s repeated pronouncements that “there is no evidence of collusion,” it also could ratchet up the stakes if the president tries, as he has intimated he might for months, to order Mueller’s firing

But, he showed us the outside of his passport.

Mumha

Hohoho and I only mentioned this today !

>
WASHINGTON

The Justice Department special counsel has evidence that Donald Trump’s personal lawyer and confidant, Michael Cohen, secretly made a late-summer trip to Prague during the 2016 presidential campaign, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Confirmation of the trip would lend credence to a retired British spy’s report that Cohen strategized there with a powerful Kremlin figure about Russian meddling in the U.S. election.

It would also be one of the most significant developments thus far in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of whether the Trump campaign and the Kremlin worked together to help Trump win the White House. Undercutting Trump’s repeated pronouncements that “there is no evidence of collusion,” it also could ratchet up the stakes if the president tries, as he has intimated he might for months, to order Mueller’s firing

Christy42

FingerDeKat wrote: »

Is it just me but has manBaby trump just played his hand a bit early ?.....interfering in the investigation of his lawyer?

Why not? I mean if he felt his hand was forced and he needed something in there to go away he pretty much had to.

2 Scoops

Water John wrote: »

Cohen was Trump's fixer, who happened to be a lawyer.

No disagreement there

FingerDeKat

Is it just me but has manBaby trump just played his hand a bit early ?.....interfering in the investigation of his lawyer?

Water John

Cohen was Trump's fixer, who happened to be a lawyer.

everlast75

2 Scoops wrote: »

I took it as Cohen's lawyers will be able to choose what they submit to investigators, at least that's the talk on twitter anyway.

Nope.
The (unfortunately named) taint team decide what is privileged and what is not.
What is worse for Cohen and Trump is that, not only were there recordings, but a lot of Cohen's dealings were not legal matters.... and therefore NOT covered by attorney/client privilege.

Mumha

Water John wrote: »

My understanding is the Judge simply acknowledged that Trump had an interest in the case and that it should be recognised. No indication that any view, he may put forward would prevail.

I'm watching Ari Melber at the moment and he said "It's not protected if it's not legal work. And none of it is legal work."

Cohen hasn't done any legal work: It's all just payoffs.

The Taint team are currently going through all the documents anyway.

2 Scoops

Water John wrote: »

My understanding is the Judge simply acknowledged that Trump had an interest in the case and that it should be recognised. No indication that any view, he may put forward would prevail.

I took it as Cohen's lawyers will be able to choose what they submit to investigators, at least that's the talk on twitter anyway.

Water John

My understanding is the Judge simply acknowledged that Trump had an interest in the case and that it should be recognised. No indication that any view, he may put forward would prevail.

2 Scoops

Shít is really starting to hit the fan now...

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/984920699583287297

2 Scoops

This is interesting..

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/ordered-court-grants-trump-request-intervene-michael-cohen-case/

A federal judge in Manhattan granted President Donald Trump’s request to intervene in the court hearing regarding longtime attorney Michael Cohen, whose offices were raided on Monday.
Erica Orden, a political reporter for The Wall Street Journal broke the news via Twitter on Friday.

“The Court GRANTS the application of President Trump to intervene in this proceeding. SO ORDERED,” she tweeted.

Water John

You're setting a high, probably unreachable bar for you to be convinced of Russian collusion. You want to see written in a contract Sccops
We all know that is not how these things work. The standard as always is, beyond reasonable doubt. You know, if it walks, quacks and looks like a duck, it probably is a duck, in plain language. Beyond reasonable doubt, does not require a written visible contract. That is absolute proof, is the bar, you are setting. In essence, you want the thief, caught red handed.