Leroy42 wrote: » Really, you think its like choosing a soft drink or something? Of course its a different religion, how can you even say that? And what is not sexism? They will not allow women become priests for the sole reason that they are women. Not heir education, not their experience, not their abilities, not their faith. Simply based on gender you cannot do it. They may well do more than priests, but that is not equality. And women do not want to be like a man, they want to be treated equally.
work wrote: » Ideally remove their access to our schools with time set aside to influence the youngest most impressionable schoolkids that are our next generation......A protest may push the political powers speed this up!
Samson Long Passport wrote: » Of all the issues facing, and within, the church at the moment, I think you're picking the wrong one to gain any great support for a protest.
knipex wrote: » If any woman wants to be a priest that badly then the Anglican church or church of Ireland would welcome them with open arms. But again I will ask the question. What exactly will a protest at the popes visit achieve ??
Barry Dolan wrote: » Why do I get the feeling you're an obnoxious teen atheist?
beefburrito wrote: » I was thinking the same lol Or One of these so and so's who read a Dawkins or Hitchens book....and they're like a pedigree horse out of trap no 2.... Oh the irony of it all, I've seen knobs quote Hitchens and Dawkins on Facebook a few year's ago.... He got an almighty slagging especially when he quoted atheists are smarter than theists pmsl cringe....
Barry Dolan wrote: » You'll be protesting so?
AlekSmart wrote: » Attention,by the sound of the OP ? If the OP was serious about being all-concerned about the Catholic Church's expansion,then they would be well advised to get themselves over to Africa pretty damn quick....https://thisisafrica.me/pope-francis-gement-in-kenya/ All this oul righteous concern about one of the wealthier nations in the World (Ireland),is to my mind,about playing to the gallery. Ireland,and it's peoples have matured significantly in the past three decades,and will continue to do so without having to refer to protest leaders for guidance. For those who are really absorbed in this concern,then perhaps a bit of reverse missionary tactics is what they need to consider ?...the rest of us will muddle along with beer,crisps n'premier league action
work wrote: » Read the OP I am asking questions not saying I will do anything just asking if people feel a protest is merited, why I feel it is and asking if anything is organised.
work wrote: » I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required to show the government and church they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society. Some that come to mind are: 1) Anyone not supportive of misogyny 2) Anyone that doesn't believe in school indoctrination of children in a massive lie. 3) Anyone concerned about abusers in positions allowing abuse 4) Anyone with the most basic scientific education. 5) Anyone that doesn't support cults 6) Anyone that believes LGBT people should be treated fairly in society. 7) Anyone that believes women should have ANY control of their bodies. 8) Anyone that is not seen as equal in the church namely women children and men. There are many other areas but I realised I have covered everyone. As such let's all go to the Phoenix park to let the Vatican know they are not welcome. Are there any peaceful groups planning to protest?
work wrote: » Is the abuse of a single child something you will be accepting of? If this is possible by removing the churches influence in Ireland ( where my children live) we stop any chance of further abuse.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » Your tone is lot more neutral now that it was in your OP, and you are most certainly encouraging a protest at the end. This is the basis of religious intolerance: the case of exaggerating one negative aspect of a religion and expanding it to the point where you think it actually identifies the entire faith. You see the same thing with Judiasm and narcissism; muslims and radical terrorism and now catholics and child abuse. No, child abuse should never be accepted and the idea that someone would accept it simply because they are catholic is beyond fallacy. To believe that ridding the state of the Catholic church would "stop any chance of further abuse" is even more so. FTR - I write this is neither a catholic nor an athiest.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » This is the basis of religious intolerance: the case of exaggerating one negative aspect of a religion and expanding it to the point where you think it actually identifies the entire faith. You see the same thing with Judiasm and narcissism; muslims and radical terrorism and now catholics and child abuse. No, child abuse should never be accepted and the idea that someone would accept it simply because they are catholic is beyond fallacy. To believe that ridding the state of the Catholic church would "stop any chance of further abuse" is even more so. FTR - I write this is neither a catholic nor an athiest.
work wrote: » Thank you for taking the time for a comprehensive review of my posts but you are somewhat warped in presenting my view. I wanted really to stimulate debate in this as such I was forceful in the OP however my second line is a question...."what do you think". Regarding the child abuse issue. Preventing the churches access to children will not prevent abusers finding access to children but would it not prevent some child abuse? Even of one child? I wrote this in response to someone saying they will drink beer and eat crisps instead of protesting. I am sorry you take issue with my comments and that is not the intention. Intolerance is not acceptable and I never said anything to the contrary. The church have demonstrated and continue to demonstrate that they are not good guardians for our schools and children's education. Personally my biggest concern is removing them from our schools or making them very much the exception as a choice in education. Intolerance is never acceptable but neither is it acceptable for there to only be a choice of state funded and private church schools. Most posters seem ambivalent about the pope's visit but state they see their influence as dying however I think we should no longer accept it. I feel there are people with a much bigger axe to grind with the church and I am surprised they are so silent so perhaps I am wrong which I accept. Simply I would like the church out of the schools or at least the exception and not the rule. Protesting would be one way to speed this up as it is happening but VERY SLOWLY.
Leroy42 wrote: » Those are all very good points and I agree them them in the absolute sense. All muslim are not terrorists, all Germans weren't Nazis etc. And in the case of the CC it could originally be argued that this was simply a case of the perpetrators happen to be priests. Where it falls down is that the CC actively went out to cover up these crimes. Went aggressively against the victims and did everything it could to protect the priests and the church itself. In addition, the CC puts itself out there as a moral guardian, with its purpose set out to be the spreading of the word of Jesus. This is somewhat grating against an organisation that views it own laws above the state, the looks to protect itself rather than the vulnerable, that actively goes to silence the victims. So no, every catholic cannot be blamed for the abuse and cover up. But every catholic carries the burden that they continue to stay passive, continue to support the church, by supporting the visit of the head of the organisation, they are giving their tacit approval of how it is operating. That of course doesn't mean they support the practices themselves, they are merely taking the easy approach and convincing themselves that they have no part to play.
jugger0 wrote: » You would never ever post this in relation to Islam, even though it is a growing force in Europe and Ireland, and is far more extreme in its beliefs. Keep fighting the good fight social justice warrior.
Rubberchikken wrote: » You organise op. Off you go. But don't be too shocked if youre on youre lonesome. Many will be happy to see the His Holiness visit our Catholic country.
Boardnashea wrote: » Ireland isn't a catholic country.
work wrote: » I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required to show the government and church they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society.
DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: » Croker and Phoenix Park will be teeming with folk. Welcome to this Christian land your holiness. We love you. I hope that your visit may restore our lost values.
work wrote: » Irish people are known for being very welcoming and generous. I am not sure of the values you mean? The church is far removed from normal family life (can't marry, celibate, no kids, apply own laws above the countries) and have shown a poor history of implementing any sort of normal values or applying the countries laws. Please explein the values you mean and how the church demonstrates these?
Graces7 wrote: » You need to bone up on Ireland;s history and formation. The Catholic Church created our health and education services and still have a strong influence supported by eg parents See for examplehttp://www.ceist.ie/
