Muahahaha wrote: » Same here, men like Sexton, Carbery & Cronin who treat their wives and girlfriends with respect.https://www.independent.ie/style/celebrity/celebrity-news/rising-irish-rugby-star-joey-carbery-and-girlfriend-robyn-enjoy-couples-trip-in-dubai-36783899.html Jackson and Olding are not men, they are boys who have yet to grow up and learn respect for other people. They do not deserve to wear the Irish jersey again.
Stheno wrote: » This is where i have a conflict. Im from the south but have literally spent years working in the north. Its a different society and still mired in the past to an extent and very socially conservative. That will go against the players.
Muahahaha wrote: » Je suis le Mob :cool: 66% of the Irish public dont want them in an Irish jersey again. Let the Ulster lads have them back if they can handle lowering the standards of their club that much that they take the self proclaimed "legends" back. Luckily for the rest of us Joe Schmidt is one of the most intelligent rugby managers in the world and will not be having them within an asses roar of another Irish cap. The Irish public wouldnt stand for it, Joe knows it, the IRFU know it and the sponsors know it.
BBDBB wrote: » Are we really going to punish people for the rest of their career for mistakes made when you are young??
joe40 wrote: » I would actually agree with that, but the thing is that advice is given all the time. Parents give that advice to their kids, schools give loads of advice around dangers of alcohol and drugs and the likelihood of high risk behavior including sexual behaviour that you may regret. Boys and girls are told this constantly. Linking behaviour advice to actual events is problematic, it is never the victims fault in any crime. Comparing this to road safety is not a valid comparison, you are responsible when trying to minimise accidents. Crime including rape is never an accident.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The RC philosophy - as long as you are not caught - all is good. As long as it doesn't happen in Ireland, (i.e. playing your rugby or abortion) we can keep our pious holier than thou hat on. :rolleyes:
Faugheen wrote: » These men are two public figures and their conduct is held to a higher standard (rightly or wrongly) than the average Joe Soap. What was meant to be a private conversation got out in public because they left a woman distressed, bleeding and in hysterics. That is all their fault. No one else.
Muahahaha wrote: » If they were 17 or 18 that would hold. But they were 24 when this happened. In society we celebrate 21st birthdays as a coming of age, i.e. you are an adult now. They were well past 21, this "they are only young lads" argument does not wash, they are more than old enough to be responsible for their actions and should be held accountable.
NAGDEFI wrote: » Very interesting Stheno. In an ideal world i hope they play for Ulster and Ireland again and grow up. But i think a certain time period of a break is needed to rehabilitate them as men.
NAGDEFI wrote: » You're dying to have a cut off the RC Francie but you won't mention Puritanism at all? Easy target. And this invisible 'mob', easy target. This has NOTHING to do with abortion.
joe40 wrote: » I have been told that Ulster rugby club would have quite a strong "christian ethos" I'm not sure if that is true don't follow rugby that closely.
tretorn wrote: » Olding was twenty two, just saying.
Stheno wrote: » And this is where i have that conflict. Im in my forties and twenty years ago worked in an environment that was male dominated and primarily male dominated. You now would not believe some comments that were laughed at that now would be grounds for a very large payout. I spoke to a conservative male colleague from the
BBDBB wrote: » narcolepsy its a terrible condition to live with
tritium wrote: » joe40 wrote: » I would actually agree with that, but the thing is that advice is given all the time. Parents give that advice to their kids, schools give loads of advice around dangers of alcohol and drugs and the likelihood of high risk behavior including sexual behaviour that you may regret. Boys and girls are told this constantly. Linking behaviour advice to actual events is problematic, it is never the victims fault in any crime. Comparing this to road safety is not a valid comparison, you are responsible when trying to minimise accidents. Crime including rape is never an accident. I never linked this to a crime. Whether we like it or not there was technically no crime here. At the end of this non- crime there are however five victims all of whom believe they told the truth and were wronged. That’s not really a great outcome is it? Well and good saying it’s given all the time. Why isn’t it working so. Why are so many young men and women getting smashed and doing dumb things? And oddly it’s the same dumb things the generation before did. Maybe we should try the message a different way?
NAGDEFI wrote: » Twenty two. Many men had started rearing a family at that age. Though i think Olding is the best of the lot of them. Only my opinion but i find the other fella very arrogant.
NAGDEFI wrote: » The easy way out is 'the mob'. The pro Jacko crowd are a 'mob' too. People are entitled to judge whether these men are mysogynistic blackguards who aren't fit to represent their country. Children imitate these guys so much. You need some sort of standards.Yeah 60% of the country are a mob.. BS. And the 30-40% are enlightened..
NAGDEFI wrote: » Twenty two. Many men had started rearing a family at that age..
Grayson wrote: » I believe the other phrase that was used was feminazi's. So 60% of the country are feminazi's Strangely I don't think anyone had labeled the players supporters. Whereas the players supporters have tried to label everyone who disagrees with them.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Of course no married man would ever disrespect a woman or do anything stupid or make a mistake.
mfceiling wrote: » And many hadn't. My father started his family at 23. Me at 30. My brother at 38. My neighbour at 18. What's the point again? Oh yeah....something, something you are an adult at 21 and should have made all your mistakes by then.
BBDBB wrote: » I never realised we must stop learning at 21 after that no more education, by 21 all lives lessons must be learned and ingrained as behavioural patterns
Grayson wrote: » If a married man hurt his wife so much that the bed was covered in her blood and she ran away in tears. And then joked about it the next day I'd call him a cnut. And I wouldn't call what he did a "mistake". Ah but that's perfectly acceptable to you. You hear that and think "give that man a job".
