mfceiling wrote: » You should have been a solicitor then with your excellent Internet arguing skills. The real solicitors however argued successfully that Jackson and Olding should be found not guilty of the charge. I hope no other irish sports person sends or receives an inappropriate text or whatsapp message....the eternally offended will make sure their career is finished in a heartbeat.
NAGDEFI wrote: » That's the whole definition of privacy today again. They got caught! Poor old 75 year old George Hook was knocked off the air for saying a girl should be very careful on a night out. Do you not think there were going to be no consequences for such messages becoming public? Sin é an t-saol!!
tretorn wrote: » As far as I was aware in this country you have the right to free association and the right to private communication with your friends. How do you propose to police young mens conversations nagdefi. You user name is very apt, you sound like a right old nag. Why on earth would I care what sports players text to each other, the messages are not sent to cause me offence or harm, I have conversations on my phone I would clear if I was asked to go to a Garda Station, I can only imagine the mass clearing of phones that went on in the Rugby circles once news got out that Jackson and Olding were being questioned. The only problem as Gilroy found out to his cost, there is no point in clearing your phone after you have pressed the send button. If anyone should be barred from playing rugby its Gilroy, he said the worst text of all. George Hook was bullied beyond belief and I knew Newstalk giving into cyber bullying was going to set a precedent and it has. The day he was sacked was the day the censor police took over and their tactics are frightening. Thats the main reason why I want to see Jackson and Olding back, I dont care about rugby but I dont like bullying, braying mobs.
tretorn wrote: » There isnt any issue beyongd the court case. The did any Belfast sluts get ****ed is the really bad text and Gilroy has been sent to the bold corner. Nothing that Jackson or Olding sent is particularly bad and if the men had been sent to prison no one would give a toss about the whatsapp messages. Telling your friends you had legal sex is not a crime and thats basically what the whatsapp messages were about. The mob are just fermenting outrage so the torture inflicted on Jackson and olding can be prolonged. jackson has threatened legal action and this has made the mob holdback on libellous stuff, this has made them foam at the gills.
NAGDEFI wrote: » If you can't see how there's an issue beyond the trial, you have a problem seeing the big picture.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Ah so it is because they got caught, no real concern for changing attitudes. We caught them, now we burn them. Very good. The mask has slipped. Moral indignation it is and we must publicly humiliate them. Worse than the RC church ever was, you lot.
mfceiling wrote: » Lads you are wasting your time trying to defend the lads. The mob
mfceiling wrote: » An issue with how they spoke to each other in private whatsapp messages?
tretorn wrote: » I would only be concerned about any text messages that contained child porn. Getting outraged about use of words is just nonsensical. Anyone with a titter of wit can see the youth of these men and with men you have to be sensitive because this age group is very prone to suicide. Why would you drive young men to a health breakdown over a few stupid texts when you know there is hardly a person in the country who hasnt stuff on their phone they wish kept private. Its just bullying at his stage, its not justice.
NAGDEFI wrote: » I've mentioned changing attitudes a lot Francie. But you know aswell as i that a lot of things in life are down to getting caught and circumstance. And these lads, pardon the pun, were well and truly caught with the trousers down with their language, boasting, and full of themselves attitude. If they got brought back down to earth when younger instead of being put on pedestals it might have served them better in the long run.
NAGDEFI wrote: » If they got brought back down to earth when younger instead of being put on pedestals it might have served them better in the long run.
Muahahaha wrote: » Thats the point I stopped reading. As soon as you need to lower yourself to name calling you have lost credibility and the argument
FrancieBrady wrote: » Attitudes have changed but underlining them still is an obnoxious RC morality. You talked about imagining your daughter in the situation. Imagine the price your son might pay for a bit of rude banter. Our so called christians need a big mirror.
FrancieBrady wrote: » NAGDEFI wrote: » Well is it not time to stop this behaviour Tretorn? Someone always has to take the rap. Saying everyone speaks like that is the same as saying well i got caught speeding and was fined but everyone does it so it's grossly unfair. Everyone should have a fine in the post. You get a fine for 'speeding'. These guys careers and livelihoods are on the line for a few rude words.
NAGDEFI wrote: » Well is it not time to stop this behaviour Tretorn? Someone always has to take the rap. Saying everyone speaks like that is the same as saying well i got caught speeding and was fined but everyone does it so it's grossly unfair. Everyone should have a fine in the post.
BBDBB wrote: » Im a mob!
tritium wrote: » Mrsmum wrote: » Considering how getting really drunk and engaging in sexual activity with a stranger has impacted on the lives of these men, I'm wondering why no advice for men on how to stay safe. Drink, strangers, sex - recipe for trouble. The more you engage in this risky business the more possibilities for 'misunderstanding' or as you say yourself "something untoward happening" . I would put getting raped in the worst category but being called a rapist is a very close second. So thanks for all the advice to us females on how not to get raped but maybe you could give a think about your son's safety too and have a word with him as well as your daughter heading out the door. The girl isn't the only one whose life could change utterly in one night. Again as you said yourself Common Sense. Jesus it’s actually depressing how every thread about this subject ends up at this point (not just you mrsmum, both sides) Looking just at this case, mrsmums advice is pretty solid to apply to both sexes. It’s always a bit late when we’re talking in “if” but If he hadn’t got drunk If she hadn’t got drunk If he’d communicated better If she’d communicated better and so many other “ifs” out of this mess. Frankly ifs and regrets won’t do very much now with five lives ruined, a young woman believing she’s been raped, her life ruined and denied justice and two young men believing they’ve been unfairly accused of rape and had their lives destroyed. Being sure of their own position isn’t really going to help anyone here. So, would we be doing anyone a disservice if we actually tried to give both young men and women a little advice before they head out the door (well before) around drink and communication and probably a few other things. No point doing it because of rapists, they’ll always be there, and sometimes luck is just ****ty. How about instead doing it to stop bad, life destroying things happening amongst people who actually aren’t looking to hurt each other?
Mrsmum wrote: » Considering how getting really drunk and engaging in sexual activity with a stranger has impacted on the lives of these men, I'm wondering why no advice for men on how to stay safe. Drink, strangers, sex - recipe for trouble. The more you engage in this risky business the more possibilities for 'misunderstanding' or as you say yourself "something untoward happening" . I would put getting raped in the worst category but being called a rapist is a very close second. So thanks for all the advice to us females on how not to get raped but maybe you could give a think about your son's safety too and have a word with him as well as your daughter heading out the door. The girl isn't the only one whose life could change utterly in one night. Again as you said yourself Common Sense.
NAGDEFI wrote: » RC morality my backside. Was it not Ulster who requested that the ERC QF against Munster be changed from Easter Sunday in 2012 because the side was so religious?? These would be Protestants as you're well aware Francie. The puritanical morality of the north would be more stiffling than the RC old attitude down here. But shur any oul excuse to blame the RC!! So the Ulster hierarchy of 2012, who were so religious...how will they handle Jacko and Olding??!
NAGDEFI wrote: » The puritanical morality of the north would be more stiffling than the RC old attitude down here. But shur any oul excuse to blame the RC!! So the Ulster hierarchy of 2012, who were so religious...how will they handle Jacko and Olding??!
FrancieBrady wrote: » The most outrage is coming from the south.
NAGDEFI wrote: » I want men representing my country who respect women. And if many speak of terms such as fcuking sluts, spit roasting etc, that doesn't make it right. It's time people were held accountable for their behaviour before this type of language and attitude becomes a norm throughout society.
Stheno wrote: » Trimble and Piennar were/are known to be very religious Think i read they were part of a players prayer group I agree on the puritanical streak in the North
Muahahaha wrote: » Same here, men like Sexton, Carbery & Cronin who treat their wives and girlfriends with respect.https://www.independent.ie/style/celebrity/celebrity-news/rising-irish-rugby-star-joey-carbery-and-girlfriend-robyn-enjoy-couples-trip-in-dubai-36783899.html Jackson and Olding are not men, they are boys who have yet to grow up and learn respect for other people. They do not deserve to wear the Irish jersey again.
