FrancieBrady wrote: » The RC philosophy - as long as you are not caught - all is good. As long as it doesn't happen in Ireland, (i.e. playing your rugby or abortion) we can keep our pious holier than thou hat on. :rolleyes:
joe40 wrote: » I would actually agree with that, but the thing is that advice is given all the time. Parents give that advice to their kids, schools give loads of advice around dangers of alcohol and drugs and the likelihood of high risk behavior including sexual behaviour that you may regret. Boys and girls are told this constantly. Linking behaviour advice to actual events is problematic, it is never the victims fault in any crime. Comparing this to road safety is not a valid comparison, you are responsible when trying to minimise accidents. Crime including rape is never an accident.
BBDBB wrote: » Are we really going to punish people for the rest of their career for mistakes made when you are young??
Muahahaha wrote: » Je suis le Mob :cool: 66% of the Irish public dont want them in an Irish jersey again. Let the Ulster lads have them back if they can handle lowering the standards of their club that much that they take the self proclaimed "legends" back. Luckily for the rest of us Joe Schmidt is one of the most intelligent rugby managers in the world and will not be having them within an asses roar of another Irish cap. The Irish public wouldnt stand for it, Joe knows it, the IRFU know it and the sponsors know it.
Stheno wrote: » This is where i have a conflict. Im from the south but have literally spent years working in the north. Its a different society and still mired in the past to an extent and very socially conservative. That will go against the players.
Muahahaha wrote: » Same here, men like Sexton, Carbery & Cronin who treat their wives and girlfriends with respect.https://www.independent.ie/style/celebrity/celebrity-news/rising-irish-rugby-star-joey-carbery-and-girlfriend-robyn-enjoy-couples-trip-in-dubai-36783899.html Jackson and Olding are not men, they are boys who have yet to grow up and learn respect for other people. They do not deserve to wear the Irish jersey again.
BBDBB wrote: » Im a mob!
Stheno wrote: » Trimble and Piennar were/are known to be very religious Think i read they were part of a players prayer group I agree on the puritanical streak in the North
NAGDEFI wrote: » I want men representing my country who respect women. And if many speak of terms such as fcuking sluts, spit roasting etc, that doesn't make it right. It's time people were held accountable for their behaviour before this type of language and attitude becomes a norm throughout society.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The most outrage is coming from the south.
NAGDEFI wrote: » The puritanical morality of the north would be more stiffling than the RC old attitude down here. But shur any oul excuse to blame the RC!! So the Ulster hierarchy of 2012, who were so religious...how will they handle Jacko and Olding??!
NAGDEFI wrote: » RC morality my backside. Was it not Ulster who requested that the ERC QF against Munster be changed from Easter Sunday in 2012 because the side was so religious?? These would be Protestants as you're well aware Francie. The puritanical morality of the north would be more stiffling than the RC old attitude down here. But shur any oul excuse to blame the RC!! So the Ulster hierarchy of 2012, who were so religious...how will they handle Jacko and Olding??!
tritium wrote: » Mrsmum wrote: » Considering how getting really drunk and engaging in sexual activity with a stranger has impacted on the lives of these men, I'm wondering why no advice for men on how to stay safe. Drink, strangers, sex - recipe for trouble. The more you engage in this risky business the more possibilities for 'misunderstanding' or as you say yourself "something untoward happening" . I would put getting raped in the worst category but being called a rapist is a very close second. So thanks for all the advice to us females on how not to get raped but maybe you could give a think about your son's safety too and have a word with him as well as your daughter heading out the door. The girl isn't the only one whose life could change utterly in one night. Again as you said yourself Common Sense. Jesus it’s actually depressing how every thread about this subject ends up at this point (not just you mrsmum, both sides) Looking just at this case, mrsmums advice is pretty solid to apply to both sexes. It’s always a bit late when we’re talking in “if” but If he hadn’t got drunk If she hadn’t got drunk If he’d communicated better If she’d communicated better and so many other “ifs” out of this mess. Frankly ifs and regrets won’t do very much now with five lives ruined, a young woman believing she’s been raped, her life ruined and denied justice and two young men believing they’ve been unfairly accused of rape and had their lives destroyed. Being sure of their own position isn’t really going to help anyone here. So, would we be doing anyone a disservice if we actually tried to give both young men and women a little advice before they head out the door (well before) around drink and communication and probably a few other things. No point doing it because of rapists, they’ll always be there, and sometimes luck is just ****ty. How about instead doing it to stop bad, life destroying things happening amongst people who actually aren’t looking to hurt each other?
Mrsmum wrote: » Considering how getting really drunk and engaging in sexual activity with a stranger has impacted on the lives of these men, I'm wondering why no advice for men on how to stay safe. Drink, strangers, sex - recipe for trouble. The more you engage in this risky business the more possibilities for 'misunderstanding' or as you say yourself "something untoward happening" . I would put getting raped in the worst category but being called a rapist is a very close second. So thanks for all the advice to us females on how not to get raped but maybe you could give a think about your son's safety too and have a word with him as well as your daughter heading out the door. The girl isn't the only one whose life could change utterly in one night. Again as you said yourself Common Sense.
FrancieBrady wrote: » NAGDEFI wrote: » Well is it not time to stop this behaviour Tretorn? Someone always has to take the rap. Saying everyone speaks like that is the same as saying well i got caught speeding and was fined but everyone does it so it's grossly unfair. Everyone should have a fine in the post. You get a fine for 'speeding'. These guys careers and livelihoods are on the line for a few rude words.
NAGDEFI wrote: » Well is it not time to stop this behaviour Tretorn? Someone always has to take the rap. Saying everyone speaks like that is the same as saying well i got caught speeding and was fined but everyone does it so it's grossly unfair. Everyone should have a fine in the post.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Attitudes have changed but underlining them still is an obnoxious RC morality. You talked about imagining your daughter in the situation. Imagine the price your son might pay for a bit of rude banter. Our so called christians need a big mirror.
Muahahaha wrote: » Thats the point I stopped reading. As soon as you need to lower yourself to name calling you have lost credibility and the argument
NAGDEFI wrote: » If they got brought back down to earth when younger instead of being put on pedestals it might have served them better in the long run.
NAGDEFI wrote: » I've mentioned changing attitudes a lot Francie. But you know aswell as i that a lot of things in life are down to getting caught and circumstance. And these lads, pardon the pun, were well and truly caught with the trousers down with their language, boasting, and full of themselves attitude. If they got brought back down to earth when younger instead of being put on pedestals it might have served them better in the long run.
tretorn wrote: » I would only be concerned about any text messages that contained child porn. Getting outraged about use of words is just nonsensical. Anyone with a titter of wit can see the youth of these men and with men you have to be sensitive because this age group is very prone to suicide. Why would you drive young men to a health breakdown over a few stupid texts when you know there is hardly a person in the country who hasnt stuff on their phone they wish kept private. Its just bullying at his stage, its not justice.
mfceiling wrote: » An issue with how they spoke to each other in private whatsapp messages?
mfceiling wrote: » Lads you are wasting your time trying to defend the lads. The mob
FrancieBrady wrote: » Ah so it is because they got caught, no real concern for changing attitudes. We caught them, now we burn them. Very good. The mask has slipped. Moral indignation it is and we must publicly humiliate them. Worse than the RC church ever was, you lot.
