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Can you sue a pub landlord for slander

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Went into a pub today, one I have only been in few times before in two years and I remembered both dates a durations and was with my other half and child.
I don’t go there as I have to drive and it’s out of my way. Today I called in and ordered a glass of Guinness only to be refused and told I was in there a few months ago with another guy and was causing a fight. This surprised me as it’s not something I’ve ever done or been accused of, infact most people would laugh at that idea of me. I said to the bar man you have made a mistake, 100% there is no chance of this. He said there is CCTV footage of this incident and the landlord had it and said I was not to be served. I said what time was the landlord in..he said 7.30. I come back at 7.30, bar man said 8..waited till 8 till the landlord arrived. I asked the landlord for a word and explained the situation and he said that his barman said it was me and he will back his staff. I informed him I am certain it wasn’t me as I have never been in the place with friends or a friend and just a few flying visits with family when we pop into the veg shop next door. He said there was no CCTV and repeated he will back his staff. I said ask all your staff as they are the ones I have dealt with and he said he will come back to me. He then said he has a right to do what he likes and I will have to put up with it. I said I would speak with a solicitor and he just laughed saying “I’m insured” ..I sense this was just a chip at my UK accent.
Now that this is clearly a mix up and he hasn’t an ounce of proof to his or his staffs claims is this slander or defamation of character if they still stick to this wild claim?
I’m happy to consider contacting a solicitor as I can’t believe we live in a world where people can publicly point and people and make wild unsubstantiated claims about them.

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Franz Von Peppercorn

cryptocurrency wrote: »

About ten in the bar would have heard the conversation and my watch recorded it all.

I think you can legally record your own conversations in Ireland. In which case you can probably take a case for slander. The barman can refuse you for no reason but he can’t accuse you of a fight you didn’t participate in.

Hitman3000

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote:

I donâ€™t if this is slander or not but â€œmoving onâ€ from personal attacks is not what you do.

Fair play you are as sensitive as the OP maybe you two should meet up for a pint. I'd say it would be great craic.

amcalester

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Fair play you are as sensitive as the OP maybe you two should meet up for a pint. I'd say it would be great craic.

I know a pub they can go to...oh wait...

Franz Von Peppercorn

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Fair play you are as sensitive as the OP maybe you two should meet up for a pint. I'd say it would be great craic.

Sorry mate, I’m not a wimp. A wimp would take slander on the chin. Like a wimp. A wimpy wimp who knows his place.

Uncharted

Cool story........ just didn't happen though IMO.

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tomofson wrote: »

I'm sure you could get that without going through the process of suing someone.

He has a choice ..he said he is gonna speak with his other staff and to call him in a few days. He either doubles down to bar his barman no matter what or he takes the route of saying it may be mistaken identity it. His barman went as red as a beetroot when I challenged him and he heard me speak but was committed then.

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Uncharted wrote: »

Cool story........ just didn't happen though IMO.

Are you one of the these types who things this sort of stuff only happens to Irish in the UK. I’ve some news for you pal, it’s far more common here.

namloc1980

There was a case on here recently of someone who sued successfully when they picked something up off a shelf in a shop and the shop worker asked if they had paid for it. Turned out the customer had come in with something bought in another shop and plonked it on a shelf in the next shop. They successfully sued for defamation. Based on that and the tenner example you'd have no bother getting a few bob compo.

Franz Von Peppercorn

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Are you one of the these types who things this sort of stuff only happens to Irish in the UK. I’ve some news for you pal, it’s far more common here.

I don’t get why you are assuming anti English prejudice rather than anything else, though.

I assume you are down the country, right?

Hitman3000

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote:

Sorry mate, Iâ€™m not a wimp. A wimp would take slander on the chin. Like a wimp. A wimpy wimp who knows his place.

Don't need to be a wimp to realise life is too short for b.s. and drama unless of course that's what floats your boat.

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Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I don’t get why you are assuming anti English prejudice rather than anything else, though.

I assume you are down the country, right?

Dublin west. I presume it as it’s there. I find it grand down the country actually as most areas have many people with uk accents who are products of migration from the area of their parents. Seems far less so in Dublin.

Franz Von Peppercorn

namloc1980 wrote: »

There was a case on here recently of someone who sued successfully when they picked something up off a shelf in a shop and the shop worker asked if they had paid for it. Turned out the customer had come in with something bought in another shop and plonked it on a shelf in the next shop. They successfully sued for defamation. Based on that and the tenner example you'd have no bother getting a few bob compo.

That decision by the court was ludicrous.

However a member staff who accuses someone publicly of bad behaviour is in trouble. There are ways to ban somebody with out dragging their name into disrepute

enricoh

cryptocurrency wrote: »

About ten in the bar would have heard the conversation and my watch recorded it all.

Your watch recorded it all, says it all really. What fun times we live in!

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enricoh wrote: »

Your watch recorded it all, says it all really. What fun times we live in!

It’s an app I have on the watch. I can just record the same as a phone on it. The other barman knows I’m easy going as we talked about me paying using a crypto linked debit card and also using the android pay on my watch to tap for payments.

kneemos

Says he has insurance and is obviously not bothered so sue his ass.

Mrs OBumble

So all the LL has to do is say "sorry, I've checked with the staff, we were mistaken, it wasn't you who caused trouble" - and you'll be happy?

He will then likely say "But we still don't want to serve you, 'cos you're fat / ugly / dress funny / <<insert your choice of anything except the Big Nine>> - so please leave and don't come back."

Will that make you feel better?

wexie

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

So all the LL has to do is say "sorry, I've checked with the staff, we were mistaken, it wasn't you who caused trouble" - and you'll be happy?

He will then likely say "But we still don't want to serve you, 'cos you're fat / ugly / dress funny / <<insert your choice of anything except the Big Nine>> - so please leave and don't come back."

Will that make you feel better?

Could a pub landlord just turn around and say 'we're not serving you cause I think you're a bellend?'

Not accusing anyone of bad behaviour, no discrimination according to the Big Nine, just an opinion like?

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Mrs OBumble wrote: »

So all the LL has to do is say "sorry, I've checked with the staff, we were mistaken, it wasn't you who caused trouble" - and you'll be happy?

He will then likely say "But we still don't want to serve you, 'cos you're fat / ugly / dress funny / <<insert your choice of anything except the Big Nine>> - so please leave and don't come back."

Will that make you feel better?

No. If he said the first bit then fine and then I’d not go in there again but to be barred from a place based on pure nonsense or prejudice I will not accept.

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wexie wrote: »

Could a pub landlord just turn around and say 'we're not serving you cause I think you're a bellend?'

Not accusing anyone of bad behaviour, no discrimination according to the Big Nine, just an opinion like?

I won’t go in there again but if he wants to ban people because of his chip then surely it is him that is the bellend.

weldoninhio

wexie wrote: »

Could a pub landlord just turn around and say 'we're not serving you cause I think you're a bellend?'

Not accusing anyone of bad behaviour, no discrimination according to the Big Nine, just an opinion like?

Yep, and I’ve heard of a landlord who might just be using that excuse soon.

joe40

Yeah I'm pretty sure you could sue a landlord for virtally anything, Sue them successfully - that would be a different story.

andekwarhola

I feel that you have no choice but to sue as it's the only pub in the entire country so it would be very inconvenient to be barred from it.

cryptocurrency

Well going by this it seems we can just make stuff up off the top of our head and just take action on it. I could start removing people from my office because ..well because. I can just say hey you did this and you must go. I don’t think so.

Hitman3000

I'm beginning to think someone is up past their bedtime. Remember school in the morning.

shaunr68

wexie wrote: »

Could a pub landlord just turn around and say 'we're not serving you cause I think you're a bellend?'

Yes, it's private property. They can choose to serve who they like, and turn away customers for any reason they wish as long as they don't discriminate based on race, gender, sexual orientation, disability etc.

He's within his rights to refuse to serve fatties, speccies or gingers

Mrs OBumble

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I could start removing people from my office because ..well because. I can just say hey you did this and you must go. I don’t think so.

Provided they've been there for less than 2 years, and provided your reason is anything except the Big Nine (or a proxy for any of them), then yes you can.

People can and have been not-hired, or fired, for being fat, ugly, late, living in the wrong suburb, liking the wrong sports team .. or even just plain being unlucky.

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shaunr68 wrote: »

Yes, it's private property. They can choose to serve who they like, and turn away customers for any reason they wish as long as they don't discriminate based on race, gender, sexual orientation, disability etc.

He's within his rights to refuse to serve fatties, speccies or gingers

Fatties and Gingers fair enough.

wexie

shaunr68 wrote: »

Yes, it's private property. They can choose to serve who they like, and turn away customers for any reason they wish as long as they don't discriminate based on race, gender, sexual orientation, disability etc.

He's within his rights to refuse to serve fatties, speccies or gingers

So then why would they ever say anything that could possibly (remotely) be construed as slander?

Even if someone was running around pisht, nekid and with their underpants on their head and one of these sticking out of their arse you'd never accuse them of bad behaviour if it could be construed as slander?

bobmalooka

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Well going by this it seems we can just make stuff up off the top of our head and just take action on it. I could start removing people from my office because ..well because. I can just say hey you did this and you must go. I don’t think so.

You could remove people from your office because..well because.

No need to make up stuff.

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Hitman3000 wrote: »

I'm beginning to think someone is up past their bedtime. Remember school in the morning.

I think your 2700 plus posts in less than one year where most of them is just snipping from the sidelines on the topic you focused in that evening clearly indicate that you have little going on in your life.
As for being in school....I sense it was a long time ago you were in school and now life has passed you by you watch the clock tick down on boards.ie. Oh the joys.