knipex wrote: » Its about making noise and an opportunity to a) to feel good about yourself and you look down on all those religious nutjobs b) Pontificate about how you are so superior. c) Show how your more important than people who believe differently d) just piss people off. e) Draw media attention to an event you are not in favour of. f) Achieve absolutely nothing to benefit yourself. Irish society has changed dramatically and is continuing to change. None gives a fiddlers about your religion or lack there of except you..
Leroy42 wrote: » I wondering how then do you thing change ever happens? According to you, people unhappy with something should simply stay away. You do realise that the reason that religion is not as important as it used to be is because people stood up to practices that people had simply accept or ignored in the past.
Leroy42 wrote: » I find it strange that people are complaining that some people want to protest. Are those complaining doing so because they think all protests are inherently bad or just because it happens to be the Catholic Church?
knipex wrote: » Not really complaining but giving an opinion (which isn't really allowed anymore) But seeing as you asked.. Sick of the same twats protesting everything, blocking roads, eating up resources and getting in the way of the vast majority who just want to get on with their lives.. So protests in general but especially liberal, lefty, whingy protests.. where a protest is protested by those protesting against another group begin involved tin their protest even though its not their protest but a general protest. That kind of bullsh1t protest.. Understand now ??
P.Walnuts wrote: » We need to watch out for the fake Pope, he can be identified by his high top sneakers and incedibly foul mouth
knipex wrote: » Oh sweet f*&K What exactly will protesting the popes visit achieve ?? Religion is not as important as it used to be precisely because people ignored the church. it became relevant for that very reason.. Dont feed it starve it..
DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: » Why do you assume that you speak for all of society OP?
billyhead wrote: » I know people are free to express their opinions but what exactly is protesting going to achieve other then create bad PR. The redress scheme is in place to compensate people that were abused so leave it at that.
work wrote: » I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required to show the government and church they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society. Some that come to mind are: 1) Anyone not supportive of misogyny 2) Anyone that doesn't believe in school indoctrination of children in a massive lie. 3) Anyone concerned about abusers in positions allowing abuse 4) Anyone with the most basic scientific education. 5) Anyone that doesn't support cults 6) Anyone that believes LGBT people should be treated fairly in society. 7) Anyone that believes women should have ANY control of their bodies. 8) Anyone that is not seen as equal in the church namely women children and men. There are many other areas but I realised I have covered everyone. As such let's all go to the Phoenix park to let the Vatican know they are not welcome. Are there any peaceful groups planning to protest?
garbo speaks wrote: » Take a wild guess, Sherlock.
Will I Am Not wrote: » I’m just sick of protests at this stage. We’re now at the stage where people are protesting against democracy and decisions in a court of law.
Boardnashea wrote: » I have no problem with Mr Pope visiting Ireland. However I do have a problem with the Government paying his expense account while he is here. <snip>
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munchkin_utd wrote: » the government isnt paying his expenses , so you can rest easily
Leroy42 wrote: » And his position on women priests? There is no doubt that he is far more progressive than his predecessor, but that is damning him with faint praise. Should he be given kudos for acknowledging LGBT are people too? Accepting of them! That he brings in experts rather than uses a 2000+ year old book, well good for him. Most people have been doing that for years.
knipex wrote: » If any woman wants to be a priest that badly then the Anglican church or church of Ireland would welcome them with open arms.
knipex wrote: » But again I will ask the question. What exactly will a protest at the popes visit achieve ??
Leroy42 wrote: » What, so you think they should change their entire belief system, probably one that has been ingrained in them since childhood and pretend to agree with a different religion simply because they are women? We are always told that being a priest is a calling, a message from God himself. But rather than deal with the inherent sexism you think it best to just tell women to find somewhere else to work. And of course being barred from becoming a priest is simply the most visible result of the practice. Do you think protests never achieve anything? The water protests prove that theory wrong. Do you think we wouldn't have WC now if it wasn't from the protests. DO you think women would have a vote if it wasn't for the protests of the suffragetes? Do you think apartheid would have ceased without the protests in SA and across the world. It will let the pope know that those protesters have concerns. It will let the state know that all people are not happy with the Catholic Church. It will drive home that Ireland is no longer the country it was in 1979. I would hope that with enough support it would show the pope that the organisation that he heads is not welcome here until it changes and makes amends for the many terrible things it oversaw over many years.
Deleted User wrote: » Down with that sort of thing. No way. We won’t pay. What do we want? A protest. When do we want it? Now.
Leroy42 wrote: » That he brings in experts rather than uses a 2000+ year old book, well good for him. Most people have been doing that for years.
Graces7 wrote: » Not a matter of changing "their entire belief system; as they are very much alike. Not a "different religion" either. And not "sexism" We woman have huge role to play and in many ways more so than the priests etc. Equality is not homoegeneity . Who wants to be like a .... man!
Rubberchikken wrote: » You organise op. Off you go. But don't be too shocked if youre on youre lonesome. Many will be happy to see the His Holiness visit our Catholic country.
