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Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

Sam Quentin

Strange.. I'm kinda relieved it's all over.

http://www.thejournal.ie/belfast-rape-trial-verdict-3928309-Mar2018/

Mod Note Keep this relevant to this thread and don't bring up others. ie the eighth amendment thread.

MOD NOTE By the way don't post anything from members on the jury that's appearing online.

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tretorn

facehugger99 wrote: »

Online commentary, newspaper articles, radio and tv spots, canteen conversations, discussions with friends and family.

Most people would be horrified at the notion of Paddy Jackson running out in the Aviva in the green jersey.

This is because people are now intimidated by the twitter facists. They wont go against the mob verdict but most people dont engage, its easier to keep quiet.

When it comes to secret ballots people vote according to what they think, hence Trump and Brexit.

If sponsors base their decisions on the latest twitter witch hunt then they lose a lot of business, they would be better to judge the situation on its merits, four young men were tried and judged not guilty, end of the matter unless someone wants to appeal the decision through the courts, ie trial was unfair or whatever.

Sponsors have sons of their own too who could easily find themselves with a load of drink on them in a bedroom with a woman who has consensual sex with them. She can say she was raped afterwards and sponsors sons will be in Jacksons shoes. Everyone who has a say in how society should be run needs to stand up to twitter justice, it will be you they will come for next, Antoin O Riordan has found this to his cost.

foxyladyxx

facehugger99 wrote: »

Online commentary, newspaper articles, radio and tv spots, canteen conversations, discussions with friends and family.

Most people would be horrified at the notion of Paddy Jackson running out in the Aviva in the green jersey.

I believe that most genuine rugby followers would hope that after say a 2 year period these players would be given the chance to play for Ireland again.

FrancieBrady

foxyladyxx wrote: »

I believe that most genuine rugby followers would hope that after say a 2 year period these players would be given the chance to play for Ireland again.

Among rugby fans I would think it is much much shorter than 2 years.

twinytwo

facehugger99 wrote: »

Doesn't really matter who set up the petition, the facts are that public sentiment is very much against either of these guys being allowed to represent our country, that much is undeniable.

Sponsors and advertisers will have already taken note of the public mood.

Meyers and Hook were removed from their jobs for far less once it became clear there was a risk to the bottom line.

At the end of the day, neither of them are good enough for the IRFU to risk losing money and public support on

Ironically a jury of their peers have decided that rape cannot be proven. Which to a lot of people means it happened regardless, because naturally the couldn't possibly be innocent.

If they were not rugby players no one would even care but all the femanazis etc will grab any branch available to further their cause.

Unless the Irfu deem them to have breached code of conduct etc they will and should be allowed to continue playing rugby for both Ulster and Ireland

foxyladyxx

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Among rugby fans I would think it is much much shorter than 2 years.

Personally I would prefer to see them reinstated with immediate effect

facehugger99

twinytwo wrote: »

If they were not rugby players no one would even care but all the femanazis etc will grab any branch available to further their cause.

Never met a femanazi myself.

facehugger99

foxyladyxx wrote: »

I believe that most genuine rugby followers would hope that after say a 2 year period these players would be given the chance to play for Ireland again.

Maybe 4 or 5 years, who knows. I suspect rugby will move on in the interim given the conveyor belt of talent being produced. I doubt there'll be a major clamoring for the return of Paddy Jackson when there's a couple of young excited outhalves in place in the next couple of years. Why would you bother, too much baggage.

facehugger99

Basil3 wrote: »

I'm not joking, but not one person I've talked to about it would feel that way.....and I've talked to a lot of people.

Wonder who's signing these petitions?

I presume you've read some of the press coverage of the incident in question? Perhaps even this thread? We're hardly living in a world where everyone is clamoring for Jackson's return.

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

Maybe 4 or 5 years, who knows. I suspect rugby will move on in the interim given the conveyor belt of talent being produced. I doubt there'll be a major clamoring for the return of Paddy Jackson when there's a couple of young excited outhalves in place in the next couple of years. Why would you bother, too much baggage.

The most chilling aspect of this is the casual disregard for human beings who at the very worst made a mistake.

Sacrificed on the altar of mostly faux outrage.

VinLieger

facehugger99 wrote: »

Online commentary, newspaper articles, radio and tv spots, canteen conversations, discussions with friends and family.

Most people would be horrified at the notion of Paddy Jackson running out in the Aviva in the green jersey.

IE your own echo chamber...... that does not equal "most people"

tritium

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How can you claim that when there are nearly 6 million people on this island and well less that 100,000 voted in a petition?

The petition wasn’t exclusive to Ireland. I’d doubt that the 60 odd thousand signatures were exclusively Irish. Frankly I’m not that pushed about what some student in the US for example thinks about Irish rugby.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Online commentary, newspaper articles, radio and tv spots, canteen conversations, discussions with friends and family.

Most people would be horrified at the notion of Paddy Jackson running out in the Aviva in the green jersey.

You have a strange definition of most. How exactly have you quantified this because “most” people I’ve talked to wouldn’t actually be horrified

facehugger99

VinLieger wrote: »

IE your own echo chamber...... that does not equal "most people"

Sure, the echo chamber with the femanazis.

bloodless_coup

The journal have an article titled "Most Irish people don't want to see Jackson and Olding back in international panel" with the comments section closed off.

Clearly a biased agenda.

Guy:Incognito

Maybe they should have just said that they were having a private religious discussion via WhatsApp and it's their religious belief that Belfast women are sluts.

I mean it's ok to say in public via twitter that gay people are wrong and will burn in hell without any public demonstrations or mobs and without calls to be sacked and not allowed play again for their country as long as it's your religious belief.

FrancieBrady

tritium wrote: »

The petition wasn’t exclusive to Ireland. I’d doubt that the 60 odd thousand signatures were exclusively Irish. Frankly I’m not that pushed about what some student in the US for example thinks about Irish rugby.

You have a strange definition of most. How exactly have you quantified this because “most” people I’ve talked to wouldn’t actually be horrified

Surely the evidence backs the notion that 'most' people don't care all that much.

[Deleted User]

facehugger99 wrote: »

Wonder who's signing these petitions?

I presume you've read some of the press coverage of the incident in question? Perhaps even this thread? We're hardly living in a world where everyone is clamoring for Jackson's return.

A large chunk of people I talk to attend every Irish match at the Aviva.

My point is that people who don't want to see them play for Ireland again probably don't even know a ruck from a maul.

VinLieger

facehugger99 wrote: »

Sure, the echo chamber with the femanazis.

Fair enough keep ignoring the obvious flaws in your statements with pathetic deflections

Mrsmum

Newstalk did a poll on the Pat Kenny Show (radio) today asking do you want to see PJ & SO play for their province and country (not sure if it was now or ever).
Result: 66% no. 33% yes.

Cienciano

I'd be very surprised to see Paddy Jackson in an Ireland jersey again. Far easier to just not call him up. If he played for Ireland at the Aviva, they're be protests. Who wants that? Doesn't matter what the decision in court was, his reputation is ruined.

foxyladyxx

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The most chilling aspect of this is the casual disregard for human beings who at the very worst made a mistake.

Sacrificed on the altar of mostly faux outrage.

Sadly ., like the X case, this won't go away.

I think the boys have suffered enough ,

facehugger99

Basil3 wrote: »

A large chunk of people I talk to attend every Irish match at the Aviva.

My point is that people who don't want to see them play for Ireland again probably don't even know a ruck from a maul.

Most rugby supporters are conservative people, pleanty that I've spoken to don't want them back.

See, we can do this all day.

The proof of the pudding will be in the eating. But I wouldn't be holding my breath if you're hoping to see them back.

VinLieger

Mrsmum wrote: »

Newstalk did a poll on the Pat Kenny Show (radio) today asking do you want to see PJ & SO play for their province and country (not sure if it was now or ever).
Result: 66% no. 33% yes.

Newstalk has recently started aiming towards a very specific demographic so those results are hardly surprising

VinLieger

facehugger99 wrote: »

Most rugby supporters are conservative people

You really need to stop with these idiotic broad generalisations. This is absolute bull and you have no way to prove it, its is based on a boorish stereotype and nothing more.

FrancieBrady

Was trying to find reporting on this, but no joy, anyone know how many attended?

Venom

Mrsmum wrote: »

Newstalk did a poll on the Pat Kenny Show (radio) today asking do you want to see PJ & SO play for their province and country (not sure if it was now or ever).
Result: 66% no. 33% yes.

I wonder if that's similar to the polls that stated Clinton would win the last US election by a landslide?

Or perhaps it might be a case of the polls that stated the remain vote would win easily in the Brexit vote?

Or maybe, just maybe, like the poll at the top of this very page with people agreeing with the verdict?

[Deleted User]

facehugger99 wrote: »

Most rugby supporters are conservative people, pleanty that I've spoken to don't want them back.

See, we can do this all day.

The proof of the pudding will be in the eating. But I wouldn't be holding my breath if you're hoping to see them back.

I just think you're making up stuff to back up your claims. Do these people you talk to attend matches? Would they stop attending if Jackson was selected? Would they go so far as to actively protest it?

facehugger99

Why would the IRFU bother forcing the issue? He's third choice outhalf at best.

Paddy and chums seem to have a penchant for spitroasting drunk teenagers in their downtime and then posting derogatory comments about the girls in question afterwards. He's not the kind of person that should be representing Ireland on the international stage, he's not the kind of person a sponsor wants to see wearing their corporate logo.

They're the facts.

Paddy's learning that actions have consequences.

Personally I think it will be positive for society in the long run. Will make the next generation of young lads more circumspect and gentlemanly in their behavior.

JMNolan

facehugger99 wrote: »

Will make the next generation of young lads more circumspect and gentlemanly in their behavior.

And the girls more ladylike?

FrancieBrady

facehugger99 wrote: »

Why would the IRFU bother forcing the issue? He's third choice outhalf at best.

Paddy and chums seem to have a penchant for spitroasting drunk teenagers in their downtime and then posting derogatory comments about the girls in question afterwards. He's not the kind of person that should be representing Ireland on the international stage, he's not the kind of person a sponsor wants to see wearing their corporate logo.

They're the facts.

Paddy's learning that actions have consequences.

Personally I think it will be positive for society in the long run. Will make the next generation of young lads more circumspect and gentlemanly in their behavior.

Ha ha ha, yeh, like sportspeople falling from grace before had such a wonderful effect on the 'yoots' of today.

:D:D:D Brilliant! 'Positive effect on society'

FrancieBrady

JMNolan wrote: »

And the girls more ladylike?

Comely maidens dancing at the crossroads incoming!