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Should we protest against the pope's visit?

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I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required to show the government and church they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society. Some that come to mind are:
1) Anyone not supportive of misogyny
2) Anyone that doesn't believe in school indoctrination of children in a massive lie.
3) Anyone concerned about abusers in positions allowing abuse
4) Anyone with the most basic scientific education.
5) Anyone that doesn't support cults
6) Anyone that believes LGBT people should be treated fairly in society.
7) Anyone that believes women should have ANY control of their bodies.
8) Anyone that is not seen as equal in the church namely women children and men.

There are many other areas but I realised I have covered everyone. As such let's all go to the Phoenix park to let the Vatican know they are not welcome.
Are there any peaceful groups planning to protest?

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Sam Quentin

Your sick.

Duckworth_Luas

work wrote: »

There are many stakeholders that should protest

Is it the Catholics or the vampires you're after?

Do we have to make our own stakes or will they be supplied ?

work

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Is it the Catholics or the vampires you're after?

Do we have to make our own stakes or will they be supplied ?

Definition stakeholder: a person with an interest or concern in something. Lots of sucking the life out of society so good analogy though!

donegal_man

Grab All Association

work wrote: »

I believe a huge protest against islam is required to show the government and mosques they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society. Some that come to mind are:
1) Anyone not supportive of misogyny
3) Anyone concerned about abusers in positions allowing abuse
4) Anyone with the most basic scientific education.
5) Anyone that doesn't support cults
6) Anyone that believes LGBT people should be treated fairly in society.
7) Anyone that believes women should have ANY control of their bodies.
8) Anyone that is not seen as equal in the mosque namely women children and

Works too

You can also insert Judaism, Protestant, Presbyterian etc into that post.

Why not protest against all religions.

work

Grab All Association wrote: »

Works too

You can also insert Judaism, Protestant, Presbyterian etc into that post.

Why not protest against all religions.

Simply because they have not have had a controlling role in the Irish state and are not sending a pope for us to adore

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

work wrote: »

I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required to show the government and church they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society. Some that come to mind are:
1) Anyone not supportive of misogyny
2) Anyone that doesn't believe in school indoctrination of children in a massive lie.
3) Anyone concerned about abusers in positions allowing abuse
4) Anyone with the most basic scientific education.
5) Anyone that doesn't support cults
6) Anyone that believes LGBT people should be treated fairly in society.
7) Anyone that believes women should have ANY control of their bodies.
8) Anyone that is not seen as equal in the church namely women children and men.

There are many other areas but I realised I have covered everyone. As such let's all go to the Phoenix park to let the Vatican know they are not welcome.
Are there any peaceful groups planning to protest?

I'm not entirely convicned you're being sincere here, but in the event you are, - yeah, let's protest against freedom of expression and freedom of religion. That'll show the rest of the world how modern and toletant we are...

P.Walnuts

We need to watch out for the fake Pope, he can be identified by his high top sneakers and incedibly foul mouth

mikemac2

You’re so edgy and trendy OP

Cookie_Monster

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'm not entirely convicned you're being sincere here, but in the event you are, - yeah, let's protest against freedom of expression and freedom of religion. That'll show the rest of the world how modern and toletant we are...

its not against freedom of either, its against the obvious undue influence the catholic church in particular holds in Irish society.

The organisation has been shown time and time again to be utterly despicable and its leader should be held to account. Unfortunately the state will never seek to hold them to account so protest is the only avenue left.

Cookie_Monster

P.Walnuts wrote: »

We need to watch out for the fake Pope, he can be identified by his high top sneakers and incedibly foul mouth

and the space pope...

work

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'm not entirely convicned you're being sincere here, but in the event you are, - yeah, let's protest against freedom of expression and freedom of religion. That'll show the rest of the world how modern and toletant we are...

Tolerant of what exactly.....I never said anyone shouldn't be allowed support whatever made up group they like but the issue is a proven poisonous group having such control and freedom to brainwash our next generation.....this needs to change

pleas advice

I think we should welcome the Pope because he's great, in fact I think we should invite BOTH Popes...,

corks finest

Obviously you're looking for a knee jerk reaction,here's mine,and really don't care what ppl think,I my family,and most sensible, Christians welcome the holy father,us a man of peace and reconciliation,end of

work

corks finest wrote: »

Obviously you're looking for a knee jerk reaction,here's mine,and really don't care what ppl think,I my family,and most sensible, Christians welcome the holy father,us a man of peace and reconciliation,end of

I fully accept and support your right to welcome the pope however I really do not want a knee jerk reaction. I want Christian indoctrination out of our society along with its pathologic ideals. To this end I am trying to gather support to protest the "holy fathers" coming to Ireland so the political establishment understand how change is not only needed but should be implemented.

Peregrinus

work wrote: »

I fully accept and support your right to welcome the pope however I really do not want a knee jerk reaction. I want Christian indoctrination out of our society along with its pathologic ideals. To this end I am trying to gather support to protest the "holy fathers" coming to Ireland so the political establishment understand how change is not only needed but should be implemented.

You're doing this the wrong way around. You can't demonstrate mass opposition to Christianity unless, in fact, there is mass opposition to Christianity. When you have built the kind of mass opposition that you wish already existed, then it's time to think about demonstrating it. Go about this in the wrong order, and all you succeed in showing is how little support your ideas have, which presumably is not the effect you are aiming for.

pleas advice

Some people would view the current Pope as the Antichrist, who goes against everything the church should stand for, and that Cardinal Ratzinger is the rightful heir and successor to Peter the apostle and first Pope.
Not me though, I think this lad is great

[Deleted User]

I'm pretty surprised at the comments here. Out of everything in Ireland, the Catholic Church deserves the biggest backlash.

A protest isn't about other people's right to follow whatever religion they like. It's about the affect of a religion on the millions in Ireland who aren't religious, and it's about the organisation's disgusting history here.

work

Peregrinus wrote: »

You're doing this the wrong way around. You can't demonstrate mass opposition to Christianity unless, in fact, there is mass opposition to Christianity. When you have built the kind of mass opposition that you wish already existed, then it's time to think about demonstrating it. Go about this in the wrong order, and all you succeed in showing is how little support your ideas have, which presumably is not the effect you are aiming for.

I don't believe there is much support for Christianity in comparison to the fanatical support they had 50 years ago. I think people are just not sure what to do without religion as it has been inground into their life through.....weddings and other events etc. If you were raised as a Muslim/jew/hindu would you support Christianity....of course not...therin lies the reason for change to stop following and promoting the lie.

work

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm pretty surprised at the comments here. Out of everything in Ireland, the Catholic Church deserves the biggest backlash.

A protest isn't about other people's right to follow whatever religion they like. It's about the affect of a religion on the millions in Ireland who aren't religious, and it's about the organisation's disgusting history here.

I fully agree and let's get the protest off the ground. A Peaceful and dignified protest is neened. Can we get people to come out as so many really arent bothered.....it is worth trying.

Peregrinus

work wrote: »

I don't believe there is much support for Christianity in comparison to the fanatical support they had 50 years ago.

The question that matters is not whether Christianity enjoys the kind of support that it enjoyed 50 years ago - it clearly doesn't - but whether it now attracts the kind of opposition that your demonstration would express. If it doesn't, your demonstration is going to be a bust.

work wrote: »

I think people are just not sure what to do without religion as it has been inground into their life through.....weddings and other events etc. If you were raised as a Muslim/jew/hindu would you support Christianity....of course not...therin lies the reason for change to stop following and promoting the lie.

Even people who agree with everything you say here will not necessarily be motivated to protest against Christianity; just to abandon it.

Graces7

Peregrinus wrote: »

The question that matters is not whether Christianity enjoys the kind of support that it enjoyed 50 years ago - it clearly doesn't - but whether it now attracts the kind of opposition that your demonstration would express. If it doesn't, your demonstration is going to be a bust.

Even people who agree with everything you say here will not necessarily be motivated to protest against Christianity; just to abandon it.

Wise and sensible words.

OF COURSE there will be a massive turnout for the visit. Ireland would lose international face else and this IS about politics

OF COURSE Catholic hardliners will proclaim RENEWAL. But that is not so

OF COURSE we all know the past. Time to move forward; enough troubles for the day we are in surely?

diomed

Is the OP American?
We don't protest the Pope's visit.
If we did, we would protest (about/against/at .....)

diomed

work wrote: »

I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required

Is more than one pope visiting?

Wanderer78

There probably will be protests for his visit, but I suspect they won't be that big, or that troublesome, you d be surprised how accepting the Catholic church still is in Ireland, and that's not a bad thing

Graces7

diomed wrote: »

Is more than one pope visiting?

No; then the apostrophe would come AFTER the last s...;)

professore

work wrote: »

I believe a huge protest against the popes visit is required to show the government and church they are no longer welcome or wanted in our society. What do you think? There are many stakeholders that should protest their removal from any influence in our society. Some that come to mind are:
1) Anyone not supportive of misogyny
2) Anyone that doesn't believe in school indoctrination of children in a massive lie.
3) Anyone concerned about abusers in positions allowing abuse
4) Anyone with the most basic scientific education.
5) Anyone that doesn't support cults
6) Anyone that believes LGBT people should be treated fairly in society.
7) Anyone that believes women should have ANY control of their bodies.
8) Anyone that is not seen as equal in the church namely women children and men.

There are many other areas but I realised I have covered everyone. As such let's all go to the Phoenix park to let the Vatican know they are not welcome.
Are there any peaceful groups planning to protest?

I won't be joining you but. I am 100% supportive of your right to protest.

Everything above is true of Islam in spades. And there aren't any Catholic terror gangs out there. The systematic child abuse has been rooted out.

Yet protesting against the abuses in that religion will get you labelled a racist (bizarrely since Islam isn't a race). Would you organise a protest against Islam too or are you just going to call me racist?

Phoebas

professore wrote: »

I won't be joining you but. I am 100% supportive of your right to protest.

Everything above is true of Islam in spades. And there aren't any Catholic terror gangs out there. The systematic child abuse has been rooted out.

Yet protesting against the abuses in that religion will get you labelled a racist (bizarrely since Islam isn't a race). Would you organise a protest against Islam too or are you just going to call me racist?

Why would someone protest against Islam at the Pope's visit?
I don't think the Pope has much influence on the problems of Islam.

work

Graces7 wrote: »

Wise and sensible words.

OF COURSE there will be a massive turnout for the visit. Ireland would lose international face else and this IS about politics

OF COURSE Catholic hardliners will proclaim RENEWAL. But that is not so

OF COURSE we all know the past. Time to move forward; enough troubles for the day we are in surely?

I take your point and in fairness the church in time will become less significant. I feel strongly about changing the status quo after having children because the way many people accept and promote this is warped.
I chatted to many sets of parents that let their kids make their communion. Plenty do not in believe in religeon but they don't want their child to miss out or be the odd one out. Personally I find such promotion of a lie to a child really wrong.
I do not have any reasonable alternative schooling other than religious for my kids which taxes pay for to further promote religeon.
Finally I am surprised people generally do not see a reason to protest to change this but no harm asking the question and if there is no appetite to change I will of course accept this.

work

professore wrote: »

I won't be joining you but. I am 100% supportive of your right to protest.

Everything above is true of Islam in spades. And there aren't any Catholic terror gangs out there. The systematic child abuse has been rooted out.

Yet protesting against the abuses in that religion will get you labelled a racist (bizarrely since Islam isn't a race). Would you organise a protest against Islam too or are you just going to call me racist?

How do you know the abuse is rooted out the church still has access to our children and a protective hierarchy.

I never mentioned terror, the pope is not muslin and the Muslim religion though relevant as are all religions doesn't have the influence or power in Ireland of Catholicism. I think no religion should permeate school or normal society