salmocab wrote: » You claimed rugby in Leinster is for posh boys it’s not, not even in Dublin where there is a big concentration of private schools. Yeah the Leinster team has a majority of privately educated player and it is for the reason you say but that doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme, there are clubs in Tallaght, clondalkin, finglas, crumlin and the liberties hardly the poshest of places.
RuMan wrote: » Agreed
salmocab wrote: » You agree with the bit where I agreed with you?
tretorn wrote: » So, first of all you see nothing unfair about Paddy Jackson having to spend thousands of pounds of his earnings defending himself against allegations that have proved to be unfounded, what sort of a planet do you live on.
tretorn wrote: » How would you feelif someone invited themselves into your house and into your bedroom for consensual sex and then went home and made an allegation of rape against you. You wait for a year for the PSNI and the PPS to come to a decision whether you are to becharged and all this time you are suspended from your career, we dont even know whether Jackson and Olding were paid while suspended. If people dont ask how in the name of God this mess was created for citizens of this country then it could happen to each and every one of us.
tretorn wrote: » There is an inquiry being undertaken at the moment into the taking of this case, the details of this were already linked further up in the thread...Thats enough evidence for me, the case should never have been brought and if it was my family I would be seeking return of my legal expenses and I would go to the Court of European Justice if I had to. Jackson and Oldings lives have been ruined and this isnt enough for you.
tretorn wrote: » We should be all equal before the law regardless of our gender, women cannot make progress in having their rights respected by trampling all over mens rights, this is a recipe for disaster.
RuMan wrote: » Its not 36% of their customer base. As a lot of the 36% on here either have no interest in rugby or in Ulster rugby. Ur customers are the people who pay the bills ie Ulster rugby supporters. Ulster Supporters club have yet to receive one complaint or threat to cancel membership when they are reinstated. They have a far higher level of support in Ulster and higher again amongst rugby fans. Not bringing them back is likely to cause significant annoyance amongst the majority of Ulster rugby fans. Rugby attracts rich people. Sponsors want their money. They have no interest in Ruth Coppingers followers
jm08 wrote: » Its 36% of Vodafone and Bank of Ireland's potential customers who are major sponsors of rugby in Ireland. Why would anyone complain to Ulster Rugby Supporters Club. Any complaints would be made to the club directly.
RuMan wrote: » Just the bit you agreed with me not the bit where you said it didnt mean much ! Blackrock, Michaels, Terenure, Belvedere, St Marys, Clongowes. Say 90 kids a year getting professional training for 6 years every year. You pick the best and put them through the academy for another 3 years. Those kids that make it are hitting 21 having effectively been professional players for 9 years. Now realistically you only need 2/3 every year to break into the leinster squad. It a business mate, you cant compete with that. You wanna make it in rugby you go to a private school. There will b some that will make it in other ways but they will be exceptions.
salmocab wrote: » Again just for clarity you said rugby in Leinster among other places is for posh school boys I said it wasn’t and gave some examples, you didn’t say in your initial statement that playing Professional rugby for Leinster is for people who attended private school. The numbers making the grade from the club system is actually going up by the way. Anyway just like most of the discussions on this thread this has almost nothing to do with the trial in Belfast.
RuMan wrote: » Signed up 4 broadband recently after moving, when i was looking at the options price and speed were considerations in my decision. Who the provider sponsored was not. I focking hate Arsenal but that didnt stop me flying Emirates recently.
One eyed Jack wrote: » I think you'll find the defendants got great value for their money, particularly in this case. That's the whole point of hiring the best legal mind they could afford. People are well aware of the behaviour of the men involved in this particular which led to the situation in which they found themselves tretorn, and I can say with a considerable measure of confidence that no, people need not fear that they will ever find themselves in the same situation as the men who were involved in this particular case, because most people don't actually behave like the men in this particular case did. What planet do you live on that you imagine people shouldn't be held entirely responsible for the consequences of their own behaviour? Not going to quote the whole thing tretorn as much of it is completely irrelevant, and yet if the evidence was there, you'd actually be able to link to it. While there might be enough evidence to convince you of something, when you try to convince others of the same thing, you first have to produce some actual evidence for your claims. As regards your claims that the defendants lives in this case have been ruined, clearly that is an outcome that has yet to be determined as to whether their lives actually have been ruined, or are you just being hysterical. We are all equal before the law tretorn, and I would argue that with anyone who would suggest otherwise, whether they are male or female, and the fact that the defendants in this particular case were found not guilty of the offences they were charged with in a court of law certainly suggests that your claims that men's rights are being trampled on is nothing but hysterical nonsense.
jm08 wrote: » Seriously, you don't think your dislike of an English football team is anything comparable to the situation we are talking about here. The players are used as ambassadors for these companies - bearing mind there could be billboards of the players, do you think the companies involved would risk them being defaced for starters. What about Q&As - would they risk people turning up and asking them awkward questions about their attitude to women? From a promotional point of view they are a liability to the IRFU and the sponsoring companies.
tretorn wrote: » https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/paddy-jackson-rape-charge-facing-14493510 Here is your link, of course there is accountability over the bringing of this case, each case has to meet an evidential test or else apart from ruining innocent mens lives the taxpayers money is squandered, someone has to explain decisions that we give people power to make, there has to be accountability for bringing the wore charges possible on men.
"lets all congratulate the complainant for her bravery in making these claims", really, seriously. Its not our fault that dratted Jury with no police training or no PPS training couldnt see what was there in front of them. Stupid jury making the PNSI and the PPS look like a bunch of headless chickens.
Poor Jackson might as well have rapist branded all over his face for the rest of his life, he could lose his house now trying to pay his legal costs. I dont know how some decision makers can sleep at night.
RuMan wrote: » Doubt most people care really. This story has had a good innings best to move on now. Who is going to give up their free time to stand outside a rugby football stadium protesting? Lets be honest sponsors arent interested in those type of people. " Now exlusive live footage of Ruth Coppinger , sponsored by Vodafone, from her protest at the opening of an envelope" Nah dont think so mate.
jm08 wrote: » 67,500 have signed that petition to the IRFU.
FrancieBrady wrote: » 4.7 million haven't.
tretorn wrote: » At least Paddy jackson paid for his own legal defence not the woman who accused him, her costs are laid at the taxpayers door. She had the resources of the state thats you and me and everyone else on her side and the acquitted men had to dig deep so they had some chance against the State.
RuMan wrote: » Yeah but 80k actually paid cash money to watch Jacko playing in the Ken Cup final at Twickers a few years back Easy to sign a petition. Someone asks me to sign a petition to " end world hunger" chances are I will. Other the Bono prancing about to deflect attention from his tax affairs most of us wont bother our ass doing something about it. Harsh u may say, but u know there's work to be done and a few pints at the end of the week. Protesting for free? Yeah maybe next week mate
tretorn wrote: » It took eleven jurors less than four hours so thats less than an hour per man charged to say not guilty, imagine that. It took the PPS twelve months to decide whether to charge the men or not and it took the jury less than four hours to go through the non existent evidence. God only knows what the "team of experienced lawyers including senior counsel cost", I really hope they have been assigned to tea making duties. Someone somewhere needs to be held to account for this but you may be sure no one will take responsibility. It would be great if one of the Jury spilled the beans, they would have been there and seen all the body language and that uusually tells you what you need to know. Some of the jury should be recruited to the PPS office, it sounds like that office needs a dose of common sense.
At least Paddy jackson paid for his own legal defence not the woman who accused him, her costs are laid at the taxpayers door. She had the resources of the state thats you and me and everyone else on her side and the acquitted men had to dig deep so they had some chance against the State.
Imagine if she had laid those accusations against someone who didnt have the means to pay for good defence, that person would be locked up now without a shadow of a doubt.
If you dont see anything unfair about that then all I wish for you is that you find yourself in a similar situation to Paddy Jackson sometime soon, it might help you to gain some perspective. Do onto others......................
RabbleRouser2k wrote: » They paid to watch a 'team'-not one player (no more than five concerts were booked because of Garth Brooks band)-a team which he hasn't been a part of in two years. Since then, many have come forward to challenge his place. He hasn't played a game competitively, either club or country, in 24 months. Cruel as it is-that's a career killer. Even if he was out of the game because of injury, Schmidt wouldn't likely to take him on after that length of time outta the sport. Easy to sign a petition-yes, but take 67 500 from 80 K, and you have a rather empty stadium.
jm08 wrote: » Any complaints would be made to the club directly.
One eyed Jack wrote: » I don't know how you're still not getting this, unless you really don't want to, but the PPS decided that they had met the evidentiary requirements, and that it was in the public interest to proceed with a prosecution. It takes time for cases to be investigated, and time for the cases to come before the Courts. The acquitted men dug deep because they were entitled to legal representation, and they clearly wanted the best legal representation they could afford to defend themselves against the charges made against them. That is entirely their right.
RabbleRouser2k wrote: » Easy to sign a petition-yes, but take 67 500 from 80 K, and you have a rather empty stadium.
upandcumming wrote: » It was actually the PSNI that had recommended no case be brought. Obviously the PPS decided that it met the threshold to proceed with a prosecution - DUH! We wouldn't be here otherwise.
RuMan wrote: » Jacko played for Ireland against Japan in June 2017 mate. Havent bothered reading the rest of ur post
upandcumming wrote: » Absolutely. And a list should be kept of the complainants so they can be banned from future games.
upandcumming wrote: » You had hammerheads sign petitions from all around the world to stop Ched Evans from playing again. What percentage of the signatories even knew who he was? Half of them couldn't even point the UK out on a map, nevermind know anything about the case. How many of them know now that he was since found not guilty? Where is the petition to apologise to this innocent man, who has had the best years of his life snatched away?
RuMan wrote: Jacko played for Ireland against Japan in June 2017 mate. Havent bothered reading the rest of ur post
