Irish woman gang raped by 6 men in Czech hotel

TheManTheMyth · 08-04-2018 03:09PM

You can be sure there won't be any panels on rte talking about this one. I wonder if Una Mulally will be as quick to condemn this as she was with the rugby players?

Gravelly · 08-04-2018 03:10PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

This is the same Catholic religion that imprisoned rape victims for their whole lives?
That while they were in there, the priests raped them again?
Oh how we like to brush our own history under the carpet.

I highlighted the difference for you. If the catholic church were still doing these things, and there was a percentage of the population that labelled anyone drawing attention to it as racists or bigots, while being supported by a large percentage of the media, as is currently the case with islam, then you'd have an argument. As it stands, you don't.

Mutant z · 08-04-2018 03:14PM

TheManTheMyth wrote: »

You can be sure there won't be any panels on rte talking about this one. I wonder if Una Mulally will be as quick to condemn this as she was with the rugby players?

Of course she wont they are not straight white males so she will say nothing about this to feminazis like her only white males are rapists.

Mutant z · 08-04-2018 03:17PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

This is the same Catholic religion that imprisoned rape victims for their whole lives?
That while they were in there, the priests raped them again?
Oh how we like to brush our own history under the carpet.

If you really think its in the same league as islam then you're seriously deluded are women being stoned to death byCatholicism like they are in Islam because i havnt been hearing anything about it.

The_Kew_Tour · 08-04-2018 03:26PM

Who is brushing the Catholic Church under the Carpet?

It's been highlighted for last 20 years and rightly so and has had plenty of consequences, thankfully.

Now some vile creatures from the Church maybe got away with it but it's lost a huge following.

08-04-2018 03:36PM

It's not about what the church did. We're talking about the religion's impact on men's views on women. Catholicism doesn't teach men to treat women like shlt.

To refute claims regarding the followers of a religion with examples of what a religious institution did is comparing apples and oranges.

TheManTheMyth · 08-04-2018 03:43PM

North Africans don't have the best reputation on the continent for treating women well. Hardly a trait singular to them given what we have seen in Ireland, but to ignore the history of sexual assault perpetrated by North Africans (hello Cologne/the experience of any white woman travelling to the middle east) is also very wrong headed.

professore · 08-04-2018 03:45PM

LLMMLL wrote: »

Yes I absolutely think it's a low risk behaviour. I have to go on personal experience and what I hear from other people and the media as I doubt there's been a study done in how dangerous it is to go home with someone while abroad.

I know countless people who have had sex abroad with no negative consequences and 1 girl who had an extremely negative experience though in her case it's hard to say she chose to go home with a stranger as she has no memory of the incident.

I don't think you're assessing actual risks. I'd say you do things everyday that are statistically more likely to result in harm to yourself.

And yet we constantly hear of unreported rapes everywhere.

08-04-2018 03:47PM

Appledreams15 wrote:

I would put education into place in all schools. I would put serious consequences into place. There is only one reason why some men do it right now - is because they think they can get away with it. It is not treated seriously enough. simple as.

One of the reasons that you may think that rape is not taken as seriously as it should is that we have people conflating "disrespectful language", "Wolf whistling" and unwanted advances with the act of rape.

I know nobody that doesn't abhor actual rape. And the reason some people do it is not because they think they'll get away with it, it's simply because there are some horrible people in the world that will do horrible things regardless of the consequences.

Appledreams15 wrote:

This is the same Catholic religion that imprisoned rape victims for their whole lives? That while they were in there, the priests raped them again? Oh how we like to brush our own history under the carpet.

I hate the Catholic Church. But to conflate them with the teachings of the Islamic religions is as disingenuous as the examples above and lessens your argument.

You may be an example of exactly why your arguments aren't taken as seriously as you think they should.

dr.fuzzenstein · 08-04-2018 03:50PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's not about what the church did. We're talking about the religion's impact on men's views on women. Catholicism doesn't teach men to treat women like shlt.

To refute claims regarding the followers of a religion with examples of what a religious institution did is comparing apples and oranges.

Well, it's the conclusion that's worrying.
Ban Islam? Bomb Islam? Kill all followers of this religion, seal the borders of certain countries and make them prison states? Hate all foreigners of the wrong skin color or religion?
Obviously all the above are insane and wrong.
Rely on policing and the justice system are not sexy answers and a lot of people are only too happy to stir the pot. Right now there are still only a few nutters and million bots on the net, but slowly their message is being picked up by the people, a few far right parties are getting into governments and ever so slowly we're finding ourselves back a hundred years ago.
Certain posters are already working very hard to portray ALL followers of a certain religion as hateful animals. What will this achieve except more hate and violence? I'm sure that's exactly their aim.

In short, hate and hysteria are the wrong answers.

LLMMLL · 08-04-2018 03:52PM

professore wrote: »

And yet we constantly hear of unreported rapes everywhere.

Seems doubtful that unreported rapes in Ireland involve Irish women travelling abroad.

professore · 08-04-2018 03:55PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Also porn needs to be regulated. Violent and degrading porn of women is a huge factor in women not being respected.

If we go down that road we should also regulate women's behaviour and what they wear. Some women dress like pornstars. Should we make them wear burkas?

Gravelly · 08-04-2018 04:00PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, it's the conclusion that's worrying.
Ban Islam? Bomb Islam? Kill all followers of this religion, seal the borders of certain countries and make them prison states? Hate all foreigners of the wrong skin color or religion?

You don't need to do any of those things, just put some sensible policies in place - for example, strictly limit the number of single young men, with no identification or proof of age or criminal history, from entering Europe.
For those who are allowed to enter Europe from countries with a culture of treating women as property, insist on a clear instruction on how western culture operates, and make it clear that any attempt to impose their cultural norms on Europe will result in a jail sentence followed by expulsion.

The above are just two simple policies that could help, but of course they cannot be implemented because someones feelings might be hurt - far better to turn a blind eye to a few murders/rapes/no go zones.

professore · 08-04-2018 04:07PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

This is the same Catholic religion that imprisoned rape victims for their whole lives?
That while they were in there, the priests raped them again?
Oh how we like to brush our own history under the carpet.

It's precisely because of all this that I am angered at us making the same mistakes again with Islam.

Captain Obvious · 08-04-2018 04:07PM

professore wrote: »

It's precisely because of all this that I am angered at us making the same mistakes again with Islam.

What mistakes are you referring to?

08-04-2018 04:11PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

What mistakes are you referring to?

People afraid to speak out about issues, and labeling people that do in an effort to stop them.

Sam Quentin · 08-04-2018 04:17PM

I could never understand the 'people with money psych' of yawww 'Imelda' is taking a year out to go backpacking/ travelling across STRANGE COUNTRIES around the World..
All funded by Daddy/Mammy.
And you think that's cool/ok?????
Most normal parents would be concerned about their daughters heading into the local town for an evening!?

08-04-2018 04:21PM

Sam Quentin wrote:

I could never understand the 'people with money psych' of yawww 'Imelda' is taking a year out to go backpacking/ travelling across STRANGE COUNTRIES around the World.. All funded by Daddy/Mammy. And you think that's cool/ok????? Most normal parents would be concerned about their daughters heading into the local town for an evening!?

I really can't see the attraction of trolling, especially on such an emotive subject.

professore · 08-04-2018 04:21PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

One of the reasons that you may think that rape is not taken as seriously as it should is that we have people conflating "disrespectful language", "Wolf whistling" and unwanted advances with the act of rape.

I know nobody that doesn't abhor actual rape. And the reason some people do it is not because they think they'll get away with it, it's simply because there are some horrible people in the world that will do horrible things regardless of the consequences.

I hate the Catholic Church. But to conflate them with the teachings of the Islamic religions is as disingenuous as the examples above and lessens your argument.

You may be an example of exactly why your arguments aren't taken as seriously as you think they should.

They think people like you and me are sitting in our bedrooms with nazi paraphernalia like Fr. Jack. The actual far right is tiny in the west. By ignoring things like the Muslim grooming gangs in the UK - taking underage girls from their families, getting them addicted to drugs and passing them around like weed at a college party - you are going to create a backlash. This was not an isolated incident. This was thousands of girls over decades.

What would you do if it was your sister? Your daughter? You go to the police and they ignore you or worse arrest you if you get angry because of their inaction?

No one is saying ban all Muslims. I am saying they should have to follow our social norms if they want to live here, and the vast majority do.

They certainly shouldn't be given a free pass to act like savages because its their "culture". Same thing goes for rugby players or anyone really.

professore · 08-04-2018 04:25PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

What mistakes are you referring to?

Turning a blind eye to organised systematic rape and paedophilia. The Catholic priest raping the son of a "fallen woman" boy is no different to the Muslim man raping the "western whore woman".

super_furry · 08-04-2018 04:25PM

professore wrote: »

If we go down that road we should also regulate women's behaviour and what they wear. Some women dress like pornstars. Should we make them wear burkas?

Huh? You don't see any difference between violent porn and women's clothes?

professore · 08-04-2018 04:30PM

super_furry wrote: »

Huh? You don't see any difference between violent porn and women's clothes?

Should we ban 50 shades too? Most men I know don't like violent porn - it's actually women who prefer it. If men liked it they would have been beating down the doors to watch 50 shades.

A quarter of straight porn searches by women are for videos featuring violence against their own sex. Five percent of searches by women are for content portraying nonconsensual sex. While men still search for significantly more porn than women, search rates for these more extreme types of sexual content are at least twice as common among women than men.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_au/article/bm9w7v/why-are-so-many-women-searching-for-ultra-violent-porn

The height of sexual abuse in Ireland happened in an era where all porn was banned.

wexie · 08-04-2018 04:33PM

professore wrote: »

No one is saying ban all Muslims. I am saying they should have to follow our social norms if they want to live here, and the vast majority do.

They certainly shouldn't be given a free pass to act like savages because its their "culture". Same thing goes for rugby players or anyone really.

You mean we should judge individual people for their actions and behaviours?

Now there's a novel idea...

super_furry · 08-04-2018 04:50PM

professore wrote: »

Should we ban 50 shades too? Most men I know don't like violent porn - it's actually women who prefer it. If men liked it they would have been beating down the doors to watch 50 shades.

Right. So now it's (poor written) erotic literature and women's clothes that are the same as violent porn?

Not really sure how this is a response to 'maybe violent porn should be regulated'. But you know, feel free to continue banging on about how women dress, mulims and ****e books.

_Dara_ · 08-04-2018 04:52PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Somebody else mentioned coverups in relation to reporting. Let me ask you this, how many rapes in Ireland are reported in the news? The reality is it's simply not a standard thing to report on rapes. When a story on rape appears in the media, particularly national media, it's an exception. Is there a particular reason for you to be more concerned about the reporting on immigrants committing sexual assault than the much more prevalent issue of nationals doing it?

Good post.

I'm doubtful you'll get a reply though.

tawnyowl · 08-04-2018 04:58PM

Ronaldinho wrote: »

By you - yes, indeed. https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12066/germany-rape-crisis

The Gatestone Institute has been criticised for sensationalist and inaccurate reporting:
https://theintercept.com/2018/03/23/gatestone-institute-john-bolton-chairs-an-actual-fake-news-publisher-infamous-for-spreading-anti-muslim-hate/
http://http://uk.businessinsider.com/john-bolton-gatestone-institute-muslim-refugees-2018-3?r=US&IR=T
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/london-closes-500-churches-opens-423-new-mosques/

Sam Quentin · 08-04-2018 05:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I really can't see the attraction of trolling, especially on such an emotive subject.

My post is a legitimate comment and I stand by it 100%..
It's my personal view, an observation that I've been on the receiving end of by 'boastful' parent/parents on numerous occasions throughout the years.
It would be my first foremost thought as they inform me of their daughters travels.
It's just the way I process information, I get similar thoughts when I see journalists heading of to war-torn Countries, and that's bearing in mind such travels would be first and foremost logistically scrutinised with guides and security in place....

not a troll at-all.

irishrebe · 08-04-2018 05:37PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

I often stay in hostel dorms when I travel and sometimes there are men in them. Am I and all the other women who do the same putting ourselves in danger for not assuming every man is a potential rapist? .

IMHO Yes.

Ive been travelling alone and staying in hostels for 30 years on and off.

I would never stay in a mixed dorm if i was on my own or even travelling with only one other woman. Countries where i have applied this policy include Australia, fiji, Ireland and many more.

The vast majority of men aren't rapists. But all it takes is one who has lowered inhibitions due to alcohol. Id rather take basic precautions to avoid the situation.

Right, so basically we ARE to assume that all men are potential rapists. That's what you're saying. You've just reworded it to sound less sinister. It's just funny to me, reading through the thread, that the very same men who agree that it's irresponsible for a woman to stay in a hostel dorm where there might be men are those same men who ALSO accuse women of being hysterical liars for recounting experiences of sexual assault and harassment (because according to them, it just doesn't happen) and for treating all men as a threat. Some impressive mental gymnastics there. Really impressive.

eviltwin · 08-04-2018 05:40PM

irishrebe wrote: »

Right, so basically we ARE to assume that all men are potential rapists. That's what you're saying. You've just reworded it to sound less sinister. It's just funny to me, reading through the thread, that the very same men who agree that it's irresponsible for a woman to stay in a hostel dorm where there might be men are those same men who ALSO accuse women of being hysterical liars for recounting experiences of sexual assault and harassment (because according to them, it just doesn't happen) and for treating all men as a threat. Some impressive mental gymnastics there. Really impressive.

Women can't win. If we take precautions we are assuming all men are rapists, if we take men at face value we are being irresponsible.

Personally I cross the street at night if there is a man behind me, it's automatic at this stage because it's been drummed into me to mind myself. Am I guilty of judging all men now?

ceadaoin. · 08-04-2018 05:50PM

irishrebe wrote: »

Right, so basically we ARE to assume that all men are potential rapists. That's what you're saying. You've just reworded it to sound less sinister.

Well if it's a man completely unknown to you then how are you supposed to know if they are a potential rapist or not? Anything is possible so if someone wants to take reasonable precautions then whats the problem. How the hell is it "sinister"?

I stayed in a shared dorm once and woke up to a strange man sitting on my bed staring at me. I wasn't travelling alone but if it was I would have felt totally vulnerable in that situation. Good for you if you don't. I wouldn't say it was "irresponsible" if you feel you can handle yourself in such a situation but why the need to try and guilt others for the way they feel?

Irish woman gang raped by 6 men in Czech hotel

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