Bambi wrote: » And?
Bambi wrote: » What you're seen there is the spin off of a strand of feminist theory that all sex is inherently rape.
sightband wrote: » Do they really though? That’s a seriously diverse set of friends your daughters have. By the law of averages I’d say you were talking through your hoop.
sporina wrote: » if they guys had committed the crime, would they really have been messaging one another about the events the following days? I doubt it. "love belfast sluts" etc.. just a thought ...
the_pen_turner wrote: » i wouldnt be so sure. when i was in school 15 years ago we had 2 indian kids in our year and 2 middle easter kids a few years below us. they were probably muslim one kids father was gay and came out. (actually caught out in a funny story) the kid got bullied and moved to a diferent school the next year thats 15 years ago or more. we have only gotten more diverse and open about sexuality now.
facehugger99 wrote: » Make sure you check under your bed before you go to sleep tonight - could be a feminist hiding under there.
mfceiling wrote: » I'd say he's a bogger with friends and family within the one bloodline. There's a huge diversity in ireland now.
foxyladyxx wrote: » That is a good point. .If there had been any doubt about their behaviour that night they would have been engaged in damage limitation the morning after?
Bambi wrote: » I'm not sure a third wave feminist would fit under the bed
jm08 wrote: » I don't think it was in dispute that the lads thought that the complainant had given consent. Harrison didn't tell them about his conversations with the complainant either. Some messages were deleted as well (which were not retrieved).
Deleted User wrote: » I'm still waiting for all these people to decide how to prove consent was given. It still comes down to he said/she said. Until there is an accepted method in place to show consent is there and not withdrawn, the system is open to be abused. All these legal changes just encourage more abuse to occur.
ArthurDayne wrote: » Do you mean having in a place a legally-defined way of giving consent ?
[Deleted User] wrote: » Yup. A definitive manner in which consent can be shown in a court of law to avoid false claims or the claims of innocence by a rapist. Simply relying on verbal agreements isn't working.
Greysquirel09 wrote: » Don't forget she was invited to join in on this rape. For me that was the main reason behind the aquittal. Doesn't seem like something one would say while engaging in such a dreadful act.
Buford T. Justice V wrote: » Mod note: Greysquirel09, the term is alleged rape as the accusation wasn't proven. Do not post in this thread again. Buford T. Justice
One eyed Jack wrote: » Unless you have evidence to support your claim, then you shouldn't expect anyone to take your claim seriously. This case hasn't made anyone believe anything contrary to what they believed already, so as a reason why it should never have been brought, your claim just doesn't stand up under any examination. Where are you getting your information? According to a spokesperson for the PPS, they didn't receive any recommendation along those lines from the PSNI? They wouldn't anyway because the only role of the PSNI is to investigate cases and present their findings to the PPS -A PPS spokesperson said: “The evidence received in this case was subjected to a very thorough and careful examination by a team of experienced lawyers, including Senior Counsel, before it was concluded that the Test for Prosecution was met, in line with our Code for Prosecutors. “This meant that there was both sufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction and it was in the public interest to prosecute. “Any claims that an initial decision was made not to prosecute or that advices were received that the Test for Prosecution was not met, are wholly inaccurate. There was only ever one decision taken in relation to these defendants – and that was a decision to prosecute. “This case was properly brought before the Courts and overcame a number of legal challenges. It was ultimately right that the matter was placed before a jury to make their determination.” Source: BelfastLive.co.uk That's even before we get to the fact you claim the PSNI said there wasn't enough evidence (I'm guessing you mean to secure a conviction?), and then go on to point out that there was no evidence to back up the woman's claims? You're contradicting your own claims that you claim the PSNI made! It really hasn't, it hasn't had any effect whatsoever on cases where a rape has been alleged to have occurred as each case will be judged upon the circumstances pertaining to each individual case. That's how the criminal justice system actually functions. It's not as though resources are actually that tight that the PSNI carry out investigations into allegations of rape one case at a time, let alone that the Courts services actually hear one case at a time. This means that in cases where the prosecution has what they believe to be sufficient evidence to support a conviction, the case will go forward for trial if the accused maintains that they are not guilty. It will still be up to the prosecution to present evidence to the jury that would lead them to determine that the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't know whether they are or they aren't tbh, as many of those women who are protesting and marching are victims of rape themselves, and I wouldn't stop anyone from protesting against something they have a fundamental disagreement with. Either we live in a free and democratic society, in which case we allow for civil protests, or we don't live in a free and democratic society, in which case nobody has permission to protest against what they believe to be an injustice. I know which society I personally prefer to live in. I'm not a woman, but I wouldn't bet my life on it that if my son were ever to behave anything like those men who find themselves in the position they're in now as a result of their own behaviour, you'd lose that bet, so I wouldn't be so quick to bet your life on anything tbh.
the_pen_turner wrote: » im a bogger and proud. i dont really have any first hand experience with school kids and what friends they have. i must ask some i often see kids walking around town with their multicultural friends.
tretorn wrote: » What is a bogger ?
tretorn wrote: » The States cost is this case would have been significant not to mention the weeks and weeks of police time put into investigating it, lucky for this woman and her family they have no bills to pay. Jackson has thousands of legal fees to pay and he was acquitted by the court, surely he in fairness should have his legal fees paid too.
foxyladyxx wrote: » Yes a legal consent form for both parties :P
Deleted User wrote: » Yup. A definitive manner in which consent can be shown in a court of law to avoid false claims or the claims of innocence by a rapist. Simply relying on verbal agreements isn't working.
jackboy wrote: » There is no way to prove consent . It's not possible. It will always be up to the jury to give their best guess.
FishOnABike wrote: » I think it should be a fundamental principle of any functioning democracy that anybody found not guilty should, by default, be entitled to their full legal costs and expenses to be paid for by the state. Otherwise what safeguards would there be against the state using vexatious or malicious prosecutions to financially ruin anyone it sees as a political opponent.
joe40 wrote: » That is why so much importance is placed on keeping government and judiciary separate. I'm not sure how legal aid works, does it only apply if you do not have sufficient financial means
FrancieBrady wrote: » You made a value judgement and seek to deny them the same right to do it in private. I don't think they made any comment on your judgement.
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