upandcumming wrote: » I can see why they don't seeing as they brought this farce through the courts.
jm08 wrote: » The UK has the lowest conviction rate of rape in Europe. As I've posted, NI has a conviction rate of 2% and France has a conviction rate of 25%. Are you claiming that rape rarely happens in Northern Ireland and those that do report it and their cases are brought to court were doing it for the crack?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Seriously, what needs to stop is these 'go to' phrases like 'brought the game into disrepute' It is utter nonsense. Hundreds of thousands of people have enjoyed thousands of minutes of rugby at all levels since these guys were charged and will continue to do so. Like everything, lessons need to be learned and put in place, but 'bringing the game into disrepute' is such a meaningless load of rubbish really.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Another 'opinion maker' who is still sore that the verdict didn't go the way they had already decided. Where were all these morally upstanding people when this happens at almost every trial going? It's cheap bandwagoning and faux outrage to make a buck. And you still haven't explained away why it is one politician gets away with full on racism and no sympathy is available in the court of public opinion for somebody else. Like McElduff, Kenny offended and hurt an individual as well as the general public. One's apology was accepted and the other's wasn't. Do you think the 'great unwashed public' need a hypocrisy check?
sightband wrote: » Do they really though? That’s a seriously diverse set of friends your daughters have. By the law of averages I’d say you were talking through your hoop.
jm08 wrote: » Well, the system doesn't serve anyone well. Interesting to note that while the Republic has a very low conviction rate, they shouldn't even bother in Northern Ireland with a 2% conviction rate (and they don't bring many cases forward for prosecution).https://sluggerotoole.com/2018/04/07/less-than-2-of-rape-trials-in-northern-ireland-end-in-conviction-why-the-system-needs-reformed/
tretorn wrote: » ...... this means the allegations were just that and there was no evidence to back up the womans claims so it became a case of he said and she said,
sydthebeat wrote: » Protectors say the biggest issue with trying to get rape cases convicted is a lack of a third party witness. In this case there was a third party witness, whose testimony was that she thought what she witnessed was a consentual threesome. So it wasn't even just a case of he said, she said.
Greysquirel09 wrote: Don't forget she was invited to join in on this rape. For me that was the main reason behind the aquittal. Doesn't seem like something one would say while engaging in such a dreadful act.
facehugger99 wrote: » One would have to wonder what is the more credible position, that the vast majority of women are making false rape accusations and putting themselves through the trauma of a trial process for the craic or people are getting away with rape because the burden of proof is so high.
tretorn wrote: » This case has made people think that women are making false rape allegations and thats one reason it should never have been brought. The PSNI said there wasnt enough evidence and they recommended no prosecution, this means the allegations were just that and there was no evidence to back up the womans claims so it became a case of he said and she said, unfortuneately not only a case of this but it was also too many different variations of she said. This case has done so much damage to the genuine cases of rape, not only because this case would have taken up so much police time and so much CPS time and it also took up nine weeks of court time, this meant the woman who was raped and has the evidence to proof it and a version of events without major inconsistencies had to wait in line for justice. Women continuing to march and to write letters to newspapapers and engaging in defamation online are not doing a service to genuine victims of rape. Complaining about women being questioned in court is futile too, men are entitled to defend themselves against accusations and you can bet your life if a son of anyone of those women pouring bile on Jacksons head was in jacksons position those women would want their sons to get the best defence money can buy.
Seventy-three of the accused pleaded guilty, thereby saving the court valuable time, for which they would have received reduced sentences. Of the others charged before the court, 205 defendants were sent to trial. Those trials ended with 35 convictions, and 155 acquittals. In 15 instances, the jury was unable to agree on a verdict. One way of interpreting those figures would be that the jury convicted fractionally over 17% of those tried for rape and acquitted 76.6%. Those figures did not take into account 289 other cases. In 106 instances, the State entered a nolle prosequi, and the rape charge was listed as having been taken into consideration in the other 183 cases.
Under the new law, consent must be clearly and voluntarily expressed. It represents a shift in the country’s legislation, as it places the consent burden on the accused – rather than the court focusing on whether the victim said ‘no’ or tried to fight back, the accused will have to prove the other person consented.
jm08 wrote: » False allegations are fairly rare - saw a stat of something like between 2 and 5%. Changing law in Iceland. New law means the accused must prove they had explicit consent.http://www.thejournal.ie/iceland-consent-3943673-Apr2018/ Sweden are making similar type changes.
jm08 wrote: » False allegations are fairly rare - saw a stat of something like between 2 and 5%.
tritium wrote: » Your statistics except by the most misleading reading, in no way show what you claim they do From the above 73 cases were prosecuted so thouroughly that the accused conceded guilt. They had irrefutable proof that rape had taken place (an example of a case like this would be someone beating up the victim so there is physical evidence that they were raped). more were convicted at trial in apit if denying the crime for a total of 108 out of 278. That 17% is just nonsense unless you aim to mislead the reader The stats are what they are. 17% of reported rapes result in convictions. If you takeout the uncontested cases, its about 11%.
From the above 73 cases were prosecuted so thouroughly that the accused conceded guilt.
more were convicted at trial in apit if denying the crime for a total of 108 out of 278. That 17% is just nonsense unless you aim to mislead the reader
salmocab wrote: » 5% would be 1 in 20 thats hardly fairly rare.
jm08 wrote: » Claims/reports. Doesn't mean they go to court.
Bambi wrote: » What you're seen there is the spin off of a strand of feminist theory that all sex is inherently rape.
tretorn wrote: » This case has made people think that women are making false rape allegations and thats one reason it should never have been brought.
The PSNI said there wasnt enough evidence and they recommended no prosecution, this means the allegations were just that and there was no evidence to back up the womans claims so it became a case of he said and she said, unfortuneately not only a case of this but it was also too many different variations of she said.
This case has done so much damage to the genuine cases of rape, not only because this case would have taken up so much police time and so much CPS time and it also took up nine weeks of court time, this meant the woman who was raped and has the evidence to proof it and a version of events without major inconsistencies had to wait in line for justice.
Women continuing to march and to write letters to newspapapers and engaging in defamation online are not doing a service to genuine victims of rape.
Complaining about women being questioned in court is futile too, men are entitled to defend themselves against accusations and you can bet your life if a son of anyone of those women pouring bile on Jacksons head was in jacksons position those women would want their sons to get the best defence money can buy.
salmocab wrote: » Not sure what point your making, you said false allegations are fairly rare only 2-5% I said that 5% would hardly be rare and you then talk about going to court. I am happy to repeat that 1 in 20 would hardly be rare.
jm08 wrote: » The new legislation (proposed by a man) was passed unanimously by the Icelandic parliament.
upandcumming wrote: » #notallmen On a serious note, the accused having to prove anything is completely backward, and goes against innocent until proven guilty. Hard to have any faith in that.
jm08 wrote: » I wouldn't think its that high. It would be interesting to compare to other false crime accusations).
salmocab wrote: » You wouldnt think its that high? It was you that introduced that stat (without links btw) now you think that your stat is wrong. Comparing it to other false allegations would be futile because the nature of rape cases means they are rarely reported and very often there is no evidence because of the nature of the crime itself. This also means that its easier than other types of crimes to make up and cause someone trouble.
Crown Prosecution Service report (2011–2012) A report by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) examined rape allegations in England and Wales over a 17-month period between January 2011 and May 2012. It showed that in 35 cases authorities prosecuted a person for making a false allegation, while they brought 5,651 prosecutions for rape. Keir Starmer, the head of the CPS, said that the "mere fact that someone did not pursue a complaint or retracted it, is not of itself evidence that it was false" and that it is a "misplaced belief" that false accusations of rape are commonplace.[10] He added that the report also showed that a significant number of false allegations of rape (and domestic violence) "involved young, often vulnerable people. About half of the cases involved people aged 21 years old and under, and some involved people with mental health difficulties. In some cases, the person alleged to have made the false report had undoubtedly been the victim of some kind of offence, even if not the one that he or she had reported."
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