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Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread III

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2 Scoops

mcmoustache wrote: »

Could you quote a lie for us. It shouldn't be too hard if he has been doing it so often.

Lies aren't just single statements, purposely being misleading is the same thing only more deceitful, even more so over a 16 month period.

If you want an example here's one that Schiff built about Nunez. He said this in an intel hearing

“The very next day, our chairman went on what is known as the ‘midnight run,’ to obtain documents that he would, the following day go to present to the White House, claiming that they showed evidence of an unmasking conspiracy of the Obama administration.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-nunes-vanished-the-night-before-he-made-trump-surveillance-claims

"Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, hinted at the unusual circumstances Friday during a press conference, criticizing the chairman for “what appears to be a dead of night excursion.” It appears Schiff was being literal."

The whole story based on Schiff's statement turned out to be untrue.

4 mins in

demfad

2 Scoops wrote: »

Lies aren't just single statements, purposely being misleading is the same thing only more deceitful, even more so over a 16 month period.

If you want an example here's one that Schiff built about Nunez. He said this in an intel hearing

“The very next day, our chairman went on what is known as the ‘midnight run,’ to obtain documents that he would, the following day go to present to the White House, claiming that they showed evidence of an unmasking conspiracy of the Obama administration.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-nunes-vanished-the-night-before-he-made-trump-surveillance-claims

"Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, hinted at the unusual circumstances Friday during a press conference, criticizing the chairman for “what appears to be a dead of night excursion.” It appears Schiff was being literal."

The whole story based on Schiff's statement turned out to be untrue.

4 mins in

ehh Nunes was investigated for this by the House Ethics Comittee. He had to recuse himself (officially, he never really did) from the Russia probe as a result.

2 Scoops

demfad wrote: »

Yes. There were high profile people connected with Trump-Russia who were murdered violently. Former FBI investigator and Intelligence specialist Clinton Watts answered 'follow the dead bodies' when asked about how to investigate Russia's involvement. Russia does have a habit of murdering people who it deems a danger to their interests.

Interesting you quoted a conversation with that poster: he was totally discredited here for insisting there was not a shred of evidence of collusion between the Trump admin and Russia even as he got bogged down under a mountain of it.

I googled the murder crap you posted and it's from nutty blogs that make infowars look like reuters. Do you have a link for Michael Cohens brothers fathers involvement in a Ukrainian conspiracy and his subsequent murder?

2 Scoops

demfad wrote: »

ehh Nunes was investigated for this by the House Ethics Comittee. He had to recuse himself (officially, he never really did) from the Russia probe as a result.

That's not the point I'm making. Schiff portrayed it as some middle of the night special op when that wasn't the case at all.

demfad

2 Scoops wrote: »

That's not the point I'm making. Schiff portrayed it as some middle of the night special op when that wasn't the case at all.

Nunes claimed that he had got special intel on unmasking which he said he couldn't reveal. This budding inspector Clouseau then was forced to admit the fact that he actually got the intel from Trump's guys in the white house in order to muddy the investigation and falsely give meat to Trump's 'Obama wiretapped me' lies.
He made this trip by leaving two people in a cab and dissappearing mysteriously into the night. Schiff was only reporting on the facts revealed. The entire situation was created by Nunes.

As I said: Nunes behaviour was clearly ethicaly suspect as it warranted an invstigation. Yet you someow focus on Schiff who was reporting on facts.

demfad

2 Scoops wrote: »

I googled the murder crap you posted and it's from nutty blogs that make infowars look like reuters. Do you have a link for Michael Cohens brothers fathers involvement in a Ukrainian conspiracy and his subsequent murder?

I always give a link. You brought Russian murders back in to sidetrack so check my previous posts and find the link.

Why is it that you never substantiate any of your posts. Is it because you know that they are untrue and you are just posting in order to derail?

mcmoustache

2 Scoops wrote: »

Lies aren't just single statements, purposely being misleading is the same thing only more deceitful, even more so over a 16 month period.

If you want an example here's one that Schiff built about Nunez. He said this in an intel hearing

“The very next day, our chairman went on what is known as the ‘midnight run,’ to obtain documents that he would, the following day go to present to the White House, claiming that they showed evidence of an unmasking conspiracy of the Obama administration.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-nunes-vanished-the-night-before-he-made-trump-surveillance-claims

"Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, hinted at the unusual circumstances Friday during a press conference, criticizing the chairman for “what appears to be a dead of night excursion.” It appears Schiff was being literal."

The whole story based on Schiff's statement turned out to be untrue.

4 mins in

I don't see the lie here. Maybe you could tell me what was false.

BabyCheeses

Manic Moran wrote: »

There are a couple of issues with that report.

Firstly, folks don’t have much of an issue with immigration. They have an issue with illegal immigration, which is another matter entirely.

There are people still pretending that? I mean sure, outside of Muslims, H1B visas, the green card lottery, or anyone from a country deemed a ****hole by Trump it is just about illegal immigrants.

I guess if you don't let the above in legally, it makes them illegal but this is back to Mexico paying for the wall level of delusion.

Captain Obvious

The revelation about Trump having to be given a lesson on how the postal service works and how it is financed is priceless.

After too many tweets, Trump’s advisers realized that he didn’t understand how the U.S. Postal Service worked, so they decided to teach him. Former economic adviser Gary Cohn made a PowerPoint. Staff members showed him financial data that showed that Amazon was paying its fair share in taxes. Other staff members tried to explain to him that the USPS is not funded by taxpayers. He even received briefs explaining that people were simply sending fewer letters.

FingerDeKat

Captain Obvious wrote: »

The revelation about Trump having to be given a lesson on how the postal service works and how it is financed is priceless.

He really is an intellectual pygmie.

amandstu

FingerDeKat wrote: »

He really is an intellectual pygmie.

And an otherwise uninteresting ,deeply sad and unfortunate fellow ,unlike these people

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/history-wars/2002/06/the-extinction-of-the-australian-pygmies/

who are genuinely interesting.

aloyisious

I watched part of the film "machete" last night and was surprised to see there is a likeness [or two] between one of it's character's, a fictional politician [senator John McLaughlin] who had a fixation with building a border wall between the US and Mexico to keep illegals [Mexicans] out of the US, and Don. I know Don is fond of watching the TV and maybe I've found what's behind his fixation with the wall..... causal system syndrome. The film was made in 2010.

"machete" is a fictional character, born in San Diablo, in Marvel Comics who fought against Captain America...... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machete_(comics)

derb12

Another interesting documentary is "Get me Roger Stone" on Netflix. I watched it ages ago when it came out first, but I re-watched it yesterday and realised I'd forgotten loads of little details. Then lo and behold RS does a long interview with Anderson Cooper last night which was very illuminating. Lots of little factoids like that he couldn't have dined with Julian Assange as he was flying from LA to Miami and that his tweet about the podestas coming under fire wasn't as definitive as some of his critics have claimed.
It'll be very interesting to see how things play out for Stone but for me, he'd be my number 1 on my dream perp-walk list!

derb12

Oh and while I'm at it, look at some of the later episodes of Arrested Development season 4 on Netflix.
The plot involves a politician stoking up public fears and trying to get a wall built on the Mexico border. The crowd chants "put - up - the - wall" which is very spooky as it was released in 2013 I think .

mayo.mick

Reports of a fire on the 50th floor of trump tower

https://twitter.com/PeterThomasRoth/status/982743787154833409

Captain Obvious

Reports of one man dead. Apparently no sprinklers or fire alarm. Seem residents report being made aware of the fire by tv reporting and others by a text from Trump's lawyer. Obviously much has to be confirmed but if any of that is true there will have to be some kind of criminal investigation.

Trent Houseboat

Was there not a fire there a couple of months ago?

Cookie_Monster

Trump classy as ever over the fire. Quick to extol the virtues of his amazingly built building while totally ignoring the fact someone died...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/982750459877380096

20Cent

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Trump classy as ever over the fire. Quick to extol the virtues of his amazingly built building while totally ignoring the fact someone died...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/982750459877380096

Typical of his lack of empathy also why not just say firefighters women in brackets.

derb12

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Was there not a fire there a couple of months ago?

Yes, it was on the roof, something to do with cooling systems I think .

pixelburp

I appreciate this thread has a tendency to be seen as essentially Trump-bashing, even to those who haven't necessarily bought into the mystique of a self-styled (though not self-made) celebrity, but certainly the most charitable thing you could say about the man is that he is not short of ... character.

Specifically, I love how Trump insists that Trump Tower is 68 storeys high, even though it's actually only 58 on the official documents; now to be fair, this is not uncommon as the below article mentioned, nor is there a legal requirement to number floors by their numerical appearance, but there's something uniquely 'Trump' about inventing 10 extra storeys for bragging rights. It fits the mould of the man as he presents himself in public.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-tower-is-not-as-tall-as-trump-says-2016-10

everlast75

A Tweet this morning (later deleted) which slated the Post. Weird.

The next tweet saying that there was no proper investigation in Hillary (ffs) - all Fox driven - and that she was completely exonerated before she was interviewed.... isn't that what he is asking for with regards to his own FBI issues?

Water John

This fire was not on the roof, 50th floor apartment. Sad at the loss of a life and the injuries. Really low that he couldn't acknowledge and sympathise with, the loss of life.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/07/trump-tower-fire-50th-floor
Trump's pants is on fire but he doesn't realise it, sadly.
He's suite is on the 66th Floor of a 58 storey building. That, literally put him living in, cloud cuckoo land.

Inquitus

everlast75 wrote: »

A Tweet this morning (later deleted) which slated the Post. Weird.

The next tweet saying that there was no proper investigation in Hillary (ffs) - all Fox driven - and that she was completely exonerated before she was interviewed.... isn't that what he is asking for with regards to his own FBI issues?

https://factba.se/topic/deleted-tweets

Leroy42

The point that Trump seems to hope his supporters miss, but one that he obviously is well aware off, is that its isn't really the details of the story that are important. The mere fact that the likes of CNN, WaPo, NYT can continue to post these stories tells you that there is something seriously wrong.

Trump used this to great effect against HC. It isn't important whether HC is ever actually found to have done anything, the fact that a majority of the US believes she did is enough for stories to run and then HC (or whomever) need to spend time defending themselves.

They can't print them because people believe that they could be true (I am not saying whether this story is true or not, but past record would suggest that they are on the right track)

They brought in Kelly to cut down on the leaks, but leaks are merely a sympton of unhappiness within a team, simply demanding that they stop whilst it will fix the problem for a while, does nothing to deal with the underlying problem.

derb12

Water John wrote: »

This fire was not on the roof, 50th floor apartment.

I was talking about the fire a few months ago that another poster asked about. That one was on the roof. Post #3078

amandstu

RTE gave me hope with their headline for a second

Trump critical ..........after suspected chemical attack in Syria
18 MINS
US President Donald Trump said there would be a "big price to pay" after medical aid groups reported dozens of people were killed by poison gas in a besieged rebel-held town in Syria.:D:(

StringerBell

Bizarre post to be perfectly honest. I am beginning to really have doubts regarding Syria at this point. What is the for Assad to gain by using chemical weapons in this instance for example? The battle there is almost won, it doesn't make logical sense for him. The other stories of the apparent chemical weapon manufacturing equipment in some of me now abandoned former rebel strongholds create further doubt.

Definitely needs more looking in to on my part I guess.

Leroy42

StringerBell wrote: »

Bizarre post to be perfectly honest. I am beginning to really have doubts regarding Syria at this point. What is the for Assad to gain by using chemical weapons in this instance for example? The battle there is almost won, it doesn't make logical sense for him. The other stories of the apparent chemical weapon manufacturing equipment in some of me now abandoned former rebel strongholds create further doubt.

Definitely needs more looking in to on my part I guess.

To bring about the end quicker, to instill fear in those still fighting against hi,

Because he knows he can.

Because he knows that he can get away with it. Will Europe or the US do anything about it? US will probably launch a few missiles, but nothing to much.

josip

As commander-in-chief of the Syrian Army could Assad himself be a justifiable target for a missile strike?
Even if he was never targeted, would announcing him as a possible target be of any benefit?
eg. "This time it's an air base. The next time chemical weapons are used, they will target senior military individuals, all the way to the top."