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Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

Sam Quentin

Strange.. I'm kinda relieved it's all over.

http://www.thejournal.ie/belfast-rape-trial-verdict-3928309-Mar2018/

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freshpopcorn wrote: »

I am unsure of where any of these guys will go next. I think the next we'll hear from them if any of them will take legal action against anyone.
Then after a while they'll get they'll probably end up with a job and then they'll be shock if they end up in a relationship.

Olding & Jackson will get rugby contracts.

Mcilroy will probably finish his US college course.

Dunno what Harrison does TBH.

Therell be plenty queuing up to date / have a relationship with Jackson & olding unless there are long-term insolvent.

jm08

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He had already expressed his 'regret' during the trial. That was good enough for me.

I think I missed that. He came out fighting after the court case whereas I think Olding came across a lot better with his apology.

He is now ticking the boxes for the mob so he can get back to his career and a way to pay for defending his good name. Est. to be in the region of 500,000 sterling.

If he was defending his good name, a strange way to put it, it hasn't worked.

If it was being tried for murder, would you think he was defending his good name?

cloudatlas

Yeah_Right wrote: »

jm08 wrote: »

In what context do they call each others sluts? Dictionary definition.
slut noun [ C ] (SEXUALLY ACTIVE WOMAN)slang disapproving a woman who has sexual relationships with a lot of men without any emotional involvement

slut noun [ C ] (LAZY WOMAN)

UK very informal disapproving a woman who is usually untidy and lazy

Well none of them are lazy or untidy.

There was a guy earlier who said he called his wife a slut and so should he have to apologise?? No cos obviously they both find it kinky. Your friends have obviously agreed it's fine to call each other sluts as a joke. Therefore it's okay it's not derogatory or demeaning in those contexts because there is a subtext.

Silentcorner

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Not at all - I’m sure he means every bit of it. I was more saying that timing says damage control as much as remorse and that it doesn’t mean he deliberately went out to cause distress to anyone that night.

Well, this story will be back in the headlines next monday, as a number of media outlets are taking to the courts to have the media restrictions, that are still in force oddly enough, lifted!

Appledreams15

Augeo wrote: »

Olding & Jackson will get rugby contracts.

Mcilroy will probably finish his US college course.

Dunno what Harrison does TBH.

Therell be plenty queuing up to date / have a relationship with Jackson & olding unless there are long-term insolvent.

Queuing up to date them?

I'm speaking for myself, but I feel fear when I look at a pic of Olding.
He used by far the worst terms and language about women. I would stay far far away from him.

FrancieBrady

jm08 wrote: »

I think I missed that. He came out fighting after the court case whereas I think Olding came across a lot better with his apology.

If he was defending his good name, a strange way to put it, it hasn't worked.

If it was being tried for murder, would you think he was defending his good name?

When the mob is missing the fact that he had already expressed his regret in the the trial, what chance had he defending his good name?

I have no idea what you mean about 'murder'.

freshpopcorn

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Queuing up to date them?

I'm speaking for myself, but I feel fear when I look at a pic of Olding.
He used by far the worst terms and language about women. I would stay far far away from him.

That's just you. Not every woman would have similar views.
I can see these guy getting into relationships in future and they'll be a bit of shock on Twitter and that will be about it.

[Deleted User]

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Queuing up to date them?

I'm speaking for myself, but I feel fear when I look at a pic of Olding.
He used by far the worst terms and language about women. I would stay far far away from him.

I'm surprised they're single currently actually.

Appledreams15

freshpopcorn wrote: »

That's just you. Not every woman would have similar views.
I can see these guy getting into relationships in future and they'll be a bit of shock on Twitter and that will be about it.

I am not sure. Nearly every woman I have talked to, thinks that they are awful.
But I agree, I can't speak for all women.

I think why would I choose a man who has no respect for women, actually incredibly low respect, over a more decent guy, which are out there.

Mrsmum

Yeah_Right wrote: »

So he should be allowed to get back to playing rugby?

I can't tell you how low his behaviour was imo. Revolting. But lo and behold, He has now agreed with me, and said sorry. I am willing to take him at his word (although mind you so many people here, his supporters I might add, are disputing his honour by suggesting his apology is not heartfelt, ergo he is lying. Dodgy pr folks to bring up that he might be capable of lying. you might want to think before going there. Tut tut.) So long as he never so much as looks at a woman in a disrespectful way again, it's over for me. He has to hope the general public, sponsors etc are as forgiving as I am.

Appledreams15

The next news day is Monday, when probably all reporting restrictions on the trial will be lifted.

I wonder is there anything interesting that will come out

FrancieBrady

Appledreams15 wrote: »

The next news day is Monday, when probably all reporting restrictions on the trial will be lifted.

I wonder is there anything interesting that will come out

Will it make any difference when you self restricted the fact that Jackson had already expressed his regret about a distressed woman leaving his house?

facehugger99

Augeo wrote: »

I'm surprised they're single currently actually.

I’m not.

RuMan

Extrordinarily magnanimous gesture by Jacko considering what he has been subjected to.
Lets now try and get him back for a few Ulster games before the season end.
Given the media circus his Irish return would involve it will make better sense to bring him back for our national team in the summer tour to Australia.
Delighted to see this sorry episode put behind us as the entire country gets behind Jacko and the boys for the 2019 rugby football world cup.

jm08

GreeBo wrote: »

It wasn't a yes or no question. I want to know who the term "slut" is applicable to other than people who are "acting slutty", since this is the basis of your argument.

From the trial, the complainant described the slutty behaviour of the other girls as them sitting on the lads knees taking selfies.

That doesn't make them sluts.

freshpopcorn

Appledreams15 wrote: »

I am not sure. Nearly every woman I have talked to, thinks that they are awful.
But I agree, I can't speak for all women.

I think why would I choose a man who has no respect for women, actually incredibly low respect, over a more decent guy, which are out there.

They were drunken young men who did sexually acts that some mightn't like and didn't behave the best.
I have texts in my phone from people who used homophobic language in the past but it doesn't make them raging gay bashers and I wouldn't show the text to their gay brother for example.

If you were in a relationship with somebody for a few years and were engaged to be married and loved him For whatever reason you found an old group chat and their was crude words and talks of consensual sexual acts you didn't approve of from a drunken night out when he was younger before you ever met him. Would you call the whole thing off?

ShowMeTheCash

Appledreams15 wrote: »

I am not sure. Nearly every woman I have talked to, thinks that they are awful.
But I agree, I can't speak for all women.

I think why would I choose a man who has no respect for women, actually incredibly low respect, over a more decent guy, which are out there.

Do you him? Grew up with him? Ever had a conversation with him?

You seem to think that decent people cannot behave badly, and immoral people in turn cannot act with decency.

There is an element of naivety to your wishful thinking.

ShowMeTheCash

jm08 wrote: »

From the trial, the complainant described the slutty behaviour of the other girls as them sitting on the lads knees taking selfies.

That doesn't make them sluts.

Well perhaps she should not of referred to their behavior as "slutty"?

joe40

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When the mob is missing the fact that he had already expressed his regret in the the trial, what chance had he defending his good name?

I have no idea what you mean about 'murder'.

There is no "mob" that is just a silly term to describe a section of public opinion you disagree with.
Every human rights from blacks in america to catholics in northern ireland was achieved by a "mob" that managed to influence public opinion.
By all means make an argument, express your opinion but refering to people that hold a different opinion as a mob is just silly.
I am not part of any mob. Funny how "mobs" only ever disagree with you. When you're on the same they're just right thinking people

Silentcorner

RuMan wrote: »

Extrordinarily magnanimous gesture by Jacko considering what he has been subjected to.
Lets now try and get him back for a few Ulster games before the season end.
Given the media circus his Irish return would involve it will make better sense to bring him back for our national team in the summer tour to Australia.
Delighted to see this sorry episode put behind us as the entire country gets behind Jacko and the boys for the 2019 rugby football world cup.

It can't be easy living in a world you don't understand!

RuMan

Silentcorner wrote: »

It can't be easy living in a world you don't understand!

Thank you. I wish you joy and happiness friend.

[Deleted User]

Appledreams15 wrote: »

I am not sure. Nearly every woman I have talked to, thinks that they are awful.
But I agree, I can't speak for all women.

I think why would I choose a man who has no respect for women, actually incredibly low respect, over a more decent guy, which are out there.

Nice guys come last :pac:

In all seriousness though lots of the rugby crowd reckon the lads did nothing wrong, boys will be boys etc.

joe40

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When the mob is missing the fact that he had already expressed his regret in the the trial, what chance had he defending his good name?

I have no idea what you mean about 'murder'.

joe40

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When the mob is missing the fact that he had already expressed his regret in the the trial, what chance had he defending his good name?

I have no idea what you mean about 'murder'.

FrancieBrady

joe40 wrote: »

There is no "mob" that is just a silly term to describe a section of public opinion you disagree with.
Every human rights from blacks in america to catholics in northern ireland was achieved by a "mob" that managed to influence public opinion.
By all means make an argument, express your opinion but refering to people that hold a different opinion as a mob is just silly.
I am not part of any mob. Funny how "mobs" only ever disagree with you. When you're on the same they're just right thinking people

A 'mob' to me is typified by irrational and ill-informed outrage. Which does not typify those who rallied for black or Irish human rights and freedom.

Exactly the type of irrational and ill-informed comment that has been illustrated in the last number of comments. The fact that most missed the fact that Jackson had already expressed regret for a distressed woman leaving his house and the complete inability to see that he has had to do it again to satisfy the still baying 'mob'.

tretorn

He is saying nothing that he didnt say at the trial.

He said he didnt put his fist inside the woman and the thought of that disgusted him. He said he never hurt anyone and if he thought anyone left his house upset he would feel very bad about it. He didnt realise the woman was upset when she left the house, she went willingly to the bedroom according to him and she stayed in the bedroom for forty five minutes. She was quite happy to be there, not only did PJ think that, Dara Florence looked in and said she saw a consensual threesome.

H e has aploogised now for whatever caused the woman to be upset and he is also apologising for letting his family down, no one likes to think of their sons bringing strangers back for sex so he has mortified his parents. Most parents though dont really care what other peoples children get up to, they have enough to be doing wprrying about their own.

Most peole also understand male testerone and some young men have very healthy sexual appetites, they will take sex thats offered anywhere, anytime and not stop to think to ask can they have it in writing that the partner has given consent. I will tell my sons not to go near anyone unless they have it signed in writing that herself is up to it. This is where the feminnazi have got us now and they are ably backed up by the CPS because of the PC crap they and their feminist pals in the media subject us to. Anyone who says this talk is a load of crap will be subjected to a lynch mob on twitter.

If the rugby organisation stick two fingers up to the lynch mob they will do us all a favour, people were afraid to stand up for George Hook and once mobs get their way they get really confident that no one will stop them.

One hundred and thirty nine people signed that stupid letter, silly deluded fools, why do they think they are more important than a jury.

Sensible people should refuse to buy that paper for a couple of days and no sports organisation should place any advertising their way, they wont accept anymore nonsense like this once it hits the media coffers.

joe40

Don't know why it posted twice sorry

blanch152

Appledreams15 wrote: »

I am not sure. Nearly every woman I have talked to, thinks that they are awful.
But I agree, I can't speak for all women.

I think why would I choose a man who has no respect for women, actually incredibly low respect, over a more decent guy, which are out there.

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Queuing up to date them?

I'm speaking for myself, but I feel fear when I look at a pic of Olding.
He used by far the worst terms and language about women. I would stay far far away from him.

You only know them from how the media has reported on the trial of one incident in their lives. Your attitude is extremely harsh based as it is on looking through that prism.

The night may have been completely out of character for all you know, it may not, neither you nor I know the men personally to be able to judge that. They may well be immature for their age, having played rugby as professionals and never exposed to the real working world out there. Again, neither you nor I are in the position to judge that.

In relation to the single incident, those charged with judging that - the jury - have not found them guilty of rape, so they retain the presumption of innocence in that regard.

You are also not taking into account the effect that the trial will have had on them. They have been through 8 weeks of having their actions on the night dissected with the risk of a significant jail term. If they don't come through that as changed individuals, what can change them?

To sum it up, in judging them the way you have based on the media reports and the little you know, you are no better than a man who refers to a group of women sitting on lads knees as sluts.

jm08

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When the mob is missing the fact that he had already expressed his regret in the the trial, what chance had he defending his good name?

Is this the apology you are referring to?

When asked if he [Jackson] had known the alleged victim was upset leaving his house he said: "If I had seen she was upset I would have gone and checked on her. I didn't see her upset.

"The last thing I want is a girl crying leaving my house. I would have freaked out. The last thing I ever want is anyone leaving my house upset.
"I went to bed and had no idea she was upset."

I have no idea what you mean about 'murder'.

The different types of crime and what you are defending.

In a rape trial - its your good name seemingly
What is it in a murder trial?

ShowMeTheCash

joe40 wrote: »

There is no "mob" that is just a silly term to describe a section of public opinion you disagree with.
Every human rights from blacks in america to catholics in northern ireland was achieved by a "mob" that managed to influence public opinion.
By all means make an argument, express your opinion but refering to people that hold a different opinion as a mob is just silly.
I am not part of any mob. Funny how "mobs" only ever disagree with you. When you're on the same they're just right thinking people

I think you need to educate yourself.

The "mob" is a term that has been used since rise and fall of the Roman empire. It makes referred to witch hunts, angry mobs fulled on emotion and little to no facts.... The mob is fickle!

Social media has given birth to the SJW a new form of mob. Social justice is another term.

The black of America you talk about above also succumbed to a form of social justice usually involving a rope and a tree...

You historically are misrepresenting what the term "mob" means.