2 Scoops wrote: » I googled the murder crap you posted and it's from nutty blogs that make infowars look like reuters. Do you have a link for Michael Cohens brothers fathers involvement in a Ukrainian conspiracy and his subsequent murder?
2 Scoops wrote: » That's not the point I'm making. Schiff portrayed it as some middle of the night special op when that wasn't the case at all.
demfad wrote: » ehh Nunes was investigated for this by the House Ethics Comittee. He had to recuse himself (officially, he never really did) from the Russia probe as a result.
demfad wrote: » Yes. There were high profile people connected with Trump-Russia who were murdered violently. Former FBI investigator and Intelligence specialist Clinton Watts answered 'follow the dead bodies' when asked about how to investigate Russia's involvement. Russia does have a habit of murdering people who it deems a danger to their interests. Interesting you quoted a conversation with that poster: he was totally discredited here for insisting there was not a shred of evidence of collusion between the Trump admin and Russia even as he got bogged down under a mountain of it.
2 Scoops wrote: » Lies aren't just single statements, purposely being misleading is the same thing only more deceitful, even more so over a 16 month period. If you want an example here's one that Schiff built about Nunez. He said this in an intel hearing “The very next day, our chairman went on what is known as the ‘midnight run,’ to obtain documents that he would, the following day go to present to the White House, claiming that they showed evidence of an unmasking conspiracy of the Obama administration.”https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-nunes-vanished-the-night-before-he-made-trump-surveillance-claims "Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, hinted at the unusual circumstances Friday during a press conference, criticizing the chairman for “what appears to be a dead of night excursion.” It appears Schiff was being literal." The whole story based on Schiff's statement turned out to be untrue. 4 mins in
mcmoustache wrote: » Could you quote a lie for us. It shouldn't be too hard if he has been doing it so often.
2 Scoops wrote: » Quick search, you've been spouting the same drivel for over a year now. These aren't even bad compared to others like where you call the tea party movement a Russian front...https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102862759&postcount=466https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102863350&postcount=468
2 Scoops wrote: » Schiff has been on media outlets something like 250 times since the inaugeration peddling the same narrative. What he does is he says he has evidence and then walk it back weeks later when pressed. I don't think any of them including Nunez are truth tellers, but at least he hasn't whored himself out to the media like Schiff has.
Itssoeasy wrote: » The House "investigation" was a partisan disgrace and the Senate investigation hasn't finished it's investigation. Adam Schiff lied ? Okay so devin Nunes was telling the truth then ? No, they told him he was a subject and not a target of of now. Jesus any more falsehoods ?
2 Scoops wrote: » Damn I missed the first line in the murder conspiracy link lmao. You've been straight up lying your ass off for a year now, you're almost as bad as Schiff. Most of your posts contain fallacies and you call me a liar. I'm done mods, he wanted me to link them.
2 Scoops wrote: » That's not a false claim, you've said that. Maybe you saw it on Rachel Maddow or something. The number one claim is that Trump won because he worked with the Russians to subvert the election, that's your belief and it's driving you mad. What's the most logical conclusion that nothing about collusion has been brought up, house and senate investigations are finished. Schiff has lied for 16 months. Mueller told Trumps legal team he isn't a criminal target. All the crap surrounding it doesn't matter if the main narrative of collusion falls apart. Keep speculating like a cat in heat, I'm sure it'll be any day now.
Intelligence agencies have corroborated the parts of the Steele dossier confirming intercepted Russian Intelligence/Government conversations discussing the collaboration and conspiracy with Trump. Not random conversations but a consistent pattern as per dossier.
demfad wrote: » Please quote where I have said that. Otherwise we can assume that you are lying.
There are dead bodies: Second at Rosneft murdered in his car fitting description of high level Rosneft contact. One of 4 spies arrested in Moscow for being US agents is missing presumed dead. Trump attorney Michael Cohens brother'd father in Law shot to death in Florida, lived at a TRump tower there. He organised the 'Ukraine peace deal' meet between Cohen, Satter and the Ukrainian politician (now being tried for treason there). He was killed for that.
These investigations are happening for a REASON. These MURDERS are happening for a reason.
2 Scoops wrote: » That's not a false claim, you've said that. Maybe you saw it on Rachel Maddow or something.
What's the most logical conclusion that nothing about collusion has been brought up,
house and senate investigations are finished.
Schiff has lied for 16 months.
Mueller told Trumps legal team he isn't a criminal target.
All the crap surrounding it doesn't matter if the main narrative of collusion falls apart. Keep speculating like a cat in heat, I'm sure it'll be any day now.
2 Scoops wrote: » That's not a false claim, you've said that. Maybe you saw it on Rachel Maddow or something. The number one claim is that Trump won because he worked with the Russians to subvert the election, that's your belief and it's driving you mad. What's the most logical conclusion that nothing about collusion has been brought up, house and senate investigations are finished. Schiff has lied for 16 months. Mueller told Trumps legal team he isn't a criminal target.
spacecoyote wrote: » https://www.themarshallproject.org/2018/03/30/the-myth-of-the-criminal-immigrant?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sprout&utm_source=twitter Interesting article around the link between immigration & crime in the US which shows that, generally speaking, an increase in immigration tends to lead toa reduction in violent crime rates. Its not completely black & white but seems to be quite a comprehensive study & flies in the face of much of the agenda that Trump & his cronies have been pushing.
demfad wrote: » So you falsely claim that I believe Putin was murdering cabinet members to cover for Trump and use this false claim against me to substantiate that anything I say needs to be taken with a pinch of salt? There are near 20 indictments in Trump Russia so far. We haven't even touched on obstruction, collusion, the data dump and barely touched on money laundering, illegal campaign funds, lying to FBI etc etc. Most trolls have already conceded that Trump-Russia is not 'nonsense'. Try and read a bit.
2 Scoops wrote: » Regardless, there's a BBC investigation and a more recent one from a few months back and Giuliani wasn't mentioned.
Your assumption of guilt doesn't change the reality that the business world is built on corruption and to assume it isn't is naivehttps://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/24/a-third-of-luxe-real-estate-deals-involve-suspicious-activity.html "The Treasury Department said that 30 percent of high-end real estate deals that were subject under a new watchdog program involved people who had been targeted by the government for "suspicious activity" and potential money laundering."
Prove it, Giuliani's guilt hasn't been brought up once in a media climate where people like yourself are salivating to get Trump.
You happily believed Putin was murdering cabinet members to cover for Trump so I'll take what you say as fact with a pinch of salt, you'll still be here next year obsessing over the same nonsense.
demfad wrote: » Well that clinches it then. First of all Giuliani was not Major of NY during his time with Bayrock. You pulled that out of your backside.
Not withstanding this please list contemporary Mayors who have knowingly been involved in setting up laundering operations to the value of $100 million. (that's just one tower, Bayrock built several) or any other comparable
Nice goalpost shift but your assertion was that Giuliani was not a Russian 'player' or 'stooge'. Facilitating Russian criminals with Kremlin connections to launder $100 millions surely qualifies?
2 Scoops wrote: » I watched a couple of documentaries on the Trump Soho dealings and Giuliani wasn't mentioned.
I think if you scrutinise any mayor of a major city you'll find shady funding arrangements, that's real life.
That doesn't mean he was in anyway complicit in a conspiracy to subvert the election and to draw such a conclusion is a major leap, especially since Rudy hasn't been brought up once on any accusations in US media.
demfad wrote: » What do you think?
2 Scoops wrote: » So Giuliani is a Russian stooge because he may have dealt with a guy from Kazakhstan?
12. Using artifices to defraud architected by Roberts & Holland and Duval & Stachenfeld in conspiracy with them1 , Arif, Satter, Scwharz arranged for up to $250,000,000 of Bayrock‟s profit as the co-developer2 of Trump SoHo to be laundered, untaxed, through a sham Delaware entity to Iceland (and reportedly then Russia), intending to evade up to $100,000,000 of U.S. taxation.
Bayrock Becomes a Mob-Owned Business. The story began when Satter, a mobster and ex-convict (assault with a deadly weapon) infiltrated Bayrock in 2002. At the time, Satter was awaiting sentencing on federal racketeering charges for running a securities fraud syndicate in collaboration with the New York Mafia and Russian mob that deprived its victims of $40,000,000. By 2003 Satter had attained majority Bayrock ownership and shared control with Arif. From then, at all relevant times, Bayrock was largely a mob-owned and operated business.
Tevfik Arif is a natural person residing in New York. Arif, a native Russian, started Bayrock as a party apparatchik in Moscow in 1989 at the fall of communism, backed by oligarchs and money they stole from the Russian people.
Felix Satter (“Satter”) aka Felix Sater, is a natural person residing in New York, a native Russian who emigrated to the United States in the 1970s.
Leroy42 wrote: » Lets face it, I don't think anybody thinks that Putin called up Trump and said he would like to help fit up the election. It would have been back-channel stuff. Letting Stone know of the existence of the e-mails for example, for that they could coordinate when it was best to leak them.
Wanderer78 wrote: » He's a fool, always was, always will be, but his fans are not for turning
Leroy42 wrote: It is ironic that a man that ran on the headline that he was the greatest deal maker ever is increasingly forced to make autocratic calls to get anything done.
WinnyThePoo wrote: » His apparent deal making talent, where is that?.fiction as well I presume.
