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The League is over - Who is going to be in the Super 8s?

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I won't restrict you to 8, so who will be there are thereabouts? There are the obvious ones: Dublin, Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone. You have a few very strong ones who could go in there too: Galway, Monaghan are just behind them and probably Donegal. Roscommon are in with a good chance, as are Tipperary. You could probably add a few more, like Armagh, and there could be a wild card or two. What do you think?

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kilns

danganabu wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

League or championship but hey my mistake I didnt realise Mayo arent bothered winning games in the league or the connaught championship

You know exactly what I mean, but hey you kid yourself that Galway have the better of Mayo all you like, if it wasnt so deluded it would be hilarious.

Look at both teams record over the last five years ;

Mayo - 3 finals and 2 semi finals, only beaten all 5 years by the eventual champions.

Galway - 3 QFs and two defeats in the qualifiers, 4 of the five teams that beat them were beaten next game and only once were they defeated by the eventual winners.

In fact in three of those years the team that knocked Galway out were subsequently beaten by Mayo that year.

How in the name of god this is even up for debate is beyond all logical reasoning :rolleyes:

As i have explained previously it has nothing to do with how far both teams go in the championship its just a Galway Mayo head to head thing and Galway have come out on top for one reason or another.

danganabu

kilns wrote: »

League or championship but hey my mistake I didnt realise Mayo arent bothered winning games in the league or the connaught championship

You know exactly what I mean, but hey you kid yourself that Galway have the better of Mayo all you like, if it wasnt so deluded it would be hilarious.

Look at both teams record over the last five years ;

Mayo - 3 finals and 2 semi finals, only beaten all 5 years by the eventual champions.

Galway - 3 QFs and two defeats in the qualifiers, 4 of the five teams that beat them were beaten next game and only once were they defeated by the eventual winners.

In fact in three of those years the team that knocked Galway out were subsequently beaten by Mayo that year.

How in the name of god this is even up for debate is beyond all logical reasoning :rolleyes:

kilns

It doesnt matter how well Galway do in the championship, its the fact that this current Galway team has the beating of Mayo, Mayo may well be a better team than Galway but when they come up against Galway they hit a roadblock and just cant beat them
Its the same scenario with Dublin and Mayo, on paper Dublin should beat Mayo easily but they dont and mostly Mayo are their equal in games
The point being if Mayo cant get over beating Galway they will find it very hard to get into the super 8's considering they rode their luck in most of the qualifier games last year. If Mayo dont reach the super 8's this year it could see the end of this great Mayo team

PARlance

kilns wrote: »

League or championship but hey my mistake I didnt realise Mayo arent bothered winning games in the league or the connaught championship

It's nearly more enjoyable to lose early, listen to all the grief and then watch Galway or the Rossies blow the beans in Croke Park while we pass them by with a wry smile, a shake of the head and on into August.

We're definitely less bothered. Almost Kerryish in our dismissal of early season defeats these days!

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kilns wrote: »

League or championship but hey my mistake I didnt realise Mayo arent bothered winning games in the league or the connaught championship

Mayo have shown that they can overcome Connacht championship losses and perform later in the championship.

Something Galway have not done since 2001.

The league is irrevelant, different teams have different goals during the league.

OldMrBrennan83

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kilns

danganabu wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

When was the last time Mayo beat Galway in a meaningful game that is the point. Galway have the beating of Mayo. Just like Mayo seem to have something over the Dubs and are able to compete on a par with them, despite being man for man inferior

Describe 'meaningful' because in the case of Mayo all that matters is knock-out championship and they havent played each other in that for nearly 20 years.

League or championship but hey my mistake I didnt realise Mayo arent bothered winning games in the league or the connaught championship

danganabu

kilns wrote: »

When was the last time Mayo beat Galway in a meaningful game that is the point. Galway have the beating of Mayo. Just like Mayo seem to have something over the Dubs and are able to compete on a par with them, despite being man for man inferior

Describe 'meaningful' because in the case of Mayo all that matters is knock-out championship and they havent played each other in that for nearly 20 years.

kilns

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

kilns wrote: »

They are like watching a vampire in a movie, you think they are dead and buried but you really have to drive that stake right through the heart to really get kill them, Derry Should have done it, Cork should have done it, Roscommon should have done it. The only teams who have the sharpest stakes and know exactly where to put them are Galway and Dublin.
and in the movies the vampire is always killed in the end after an epic fight
So in summary this Mayo team will never win an All Ireland cause there will always be a team who just have that bit more quality and accuracy with a stake

This is getting out of hand

Galway had a good league with an almost full squad and a new defensive system that teams like Mayo now have 8 full games worth of tape to dissect and analyse.

They failed to push on v Dublin being a man up, actually it was Dublin that pushed on.

Let’s wait till Galway get to a few finals, or even semi-final, actually let’s wait till they start winning championship games in Croke Park again before putting them in the same sentence as Dublin.

When was the last time Mayo beat Galway in a meaningful game that is the point. Galway have the beating of Mayo. Just like Mayo seem to have something over the Dubs and are able to compete on a par with them, despite being man for man inferior

jr86

JeffKenna wrote: »

Did mayo not win that game by only a point?

Perhaps but all and sundry had them down to win and as it transpired they were reduced to countless hit and hopes and turned over possession at a rate of knots when they got into the Mayo half

Mayo should have won by a lot more, but win they did

GAA journalists/supporters seem to be going above and beyond at this stage every season to find a new "challenger" to Dublin. Since Mayo lost the last few finals they're not really the fashionable choice, while Kerry haven't reached the final in a few years or ever beaten this Dublin side in Champ, so it seems to be a case of whose next

dr.kenneth noisewater

Think it'll be Dublin, Kerry, Galway and Tyrone and champs with 4 from Mayo, Roscommon, Tipp, Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal depending on draws. Armagh an outsider maybe as well
Cant see any other Leinster team make it unless the losers(likely Kildare/Westmeath) get a very handy draw after getting hammered by Dublin.

JeffKenna

jr86 wrote: »

This Galway hype is ridiculously similar to Tyrone in 2016 when they carried an extensive unbeaten record (not beating a top 3 side in that time by the way!) into the All Ireland Quarter, and were THE team to challenge Dublin apparently

Instead a fully experienced and determined Mayo made them look incredibly ordinary after all, and advanced to the semi

Did mayo not win that game by only a point?

jr86

This Galway hype is ridiculously similar to Tyrone in 2016 when they carried an extensive unbeaten record (not beating a top 3 side in that time by the way!) into the All Ireland Quarter, and were THE team to challenge Dublin apparently

Instead a fully experienced and determined Mayo made them look incredibly ordinary after all, and advanced to the semi

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danganabu wrote: »

If I was a Mayo man I would be delighted with this hyperbole about Galway, it has deflected all attention and pressure off Mayo completley, I would say that Rochford cant keep the wry smile off his face.

I am a Mayo man and I am delighted.

danganabu

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

This is getting out of hand

Galway had a good league with an almost full squad and a new defensive system that teams like Mayo now have 8 full games worth of tape to dissect and analyse.

They failed to push on v Dublin being a man up, actually it was Dublin that pushed on.

Let’s wait till Galway get to a few finals, or even semi-final, actually let’s wait till they start winning championship games in Croke Park again before putting them in the same sentence as Dublin.

If I was a Mayo man I would be delighted with this hyperbole about Galway, it has deflected all attention and pressure off Mayo completley, I would say that Rochford cant keep the wry smile off his face.

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kilns wrote: »

They are like watching a vampire in a movie, you think they are dead and buried but you really have to drive that stake right through the heart to really get kill them, Derry Should have done it, Cork should have done it, Roscommon should have done it. The only teams who have the sharpest stakes and know exactly where to put them are Galway and Dublin.
and in the movies the vampire is always killed in the end after an epic fight
So in summary this Mayo team will never win an All Ireland cause there will always be a team who just have that bit more quality and accuracy with a stake

This is getting out of hand

Galway had a good league with an almost full squad and a new defensive system that teams like Mayo now have 8 full games worth of tape to dissect and analyse.

They failed to push on v Dublin being a man up, actually it was Dublin that pushed on.

Let’s wait till Galway get to a few finals, or even semi-final, actually let’s wait till they start winning championship games in Croke Park again before putting them in the same sentence as Dublin.

Barlett

kilns wrote: »

They are like watching a vampire in a movie, you think they are dead and buried but you really have to drive that stake right through the heart to really get kill them, Derry Should have done it, Cork should have done it, Roscommon should have done it. The only teams who have the sharpest stakes and know exactly where to put them are Galway and Dublin.
and in the movies the vampire is always killed in the end after an epic fight
So in summary this Mayo team will never win an All Ireland cause there will always be a team who just have that bit more quality and accuracy with a stake :D

Or maybe they're like Tom Cruise at the end in Interview With The Vampire, just when you think he's gone, he reappears, ready to go again

kilns

km79 wrote: »

Mayo seem to be "on the slide" this time every year. And yet...........

They are like watching a vampire in a movie, you think they are dead and buried but you really have to drive that stake right through the heart to really get kill them, Derry Should have done it, Cork should have done it, Roscommon should have done it. The only teams who have the sharpest stakes and know exactly where to put them are Galway and Dublin.
and in the movies the vampire is always killed in the end after an epic fight
So in summary this Mayo team will never win an All Ireland cause there will always be a team who just have that bit more quality and accuracy with a stake :D

ProudDUB

nice_guy80 wrote: »

How many games in the last 5 years have ye played in McHale park?

The ones we won?

km79

Mayo seem to be "on the slide" this time every year. And yet...........

OldMrBrennan83

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s8n

Patww79 wrote: »

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I dont agree. Div 4 champions now & on a roll

rossie1977

nice_guy80 wrote: »

How many games in the last 5 years have ye played in McHale park?

Dublin played Mayo in castlebar in 2015, 16 and this year and won them all. Dublin did get a big hammering there in 2012.

kilns

The super 8s are going to be very interesting this year, I think we could see a few surprises in there
You have teams like Mayo who are on the slide and others are catching them in their own province which will make it harder to get directly into the super 8s
Donegal and Tyrone are nothing special either currently but I think Tyrone will have enough to make it
My teams to make the Super 8 are
Dublin, Kerry, Galway, Monaghan, Tyrone, Kildare, Roscommon, Cavan

km79

When Dublin is split into 2 who will have Croker as their home ground and who will have Parnell Park ?????

danganabu

ProudDUB wrote: »

We'll be loathed and despised in equal measure, regardless of what venue in the colonies we rock up to.

Now I wonder why that is

nice_guy80

ProudDUB wrote: »

There is no such thing as neutral venue for the Dubs. We'll be loathed and despised in equal measure, regardless of what venue in the colonies we rock up to.

Personally, I'd bleedin' love Castlebar. We find it easier to win there, than in Croker. Mad 'wha?

How many games in the last 5 years have ye played in McHale park?

ProudDUB

There is no such thing as neutral venue for the Dubs. We'll be loathed and despised in equal measure, regardless of what venue in the colonies we rock up to.

Personally, I'd bleedin' love Castlebar. We find it easier to win there, than in Croker. Mad 'wha?

dxhound2005

Parnell Park.

nice_guy80

Don't know why the other 31 counties financed a neutral stadium for Dublin to play all their games in

Anyway, realistically what other 'neutral' venue will the Dubs actually be dragged to?