RuMan wrote: » What are u posting here for then?
tretorn wrote: » It was unreal, they discussed the case as if a guilty verdict had been handed down. You wouldnt mind but RTE had enough reporters at the trial in Belfast and they must have seen how weak the prosecution case was. They would have heard the judges summing up so they should have known it was very likely none of the men would be found guilty. I suppose though the media got Trumps election and Brexit wrong too. They still havent recovered from Trumps victory and he hasnt made a total mess of the Presidency so far though none of the media give him credit for anything. They will be blaming him for the verdict in the Belfast trial too before very long.
Appledreams15 wrote: » I just looked up Blane McIlroy to see what he did. He was a rugby player aswell apparantly. People on here saying "women are flocking around the VIP area, desperate to be with them". Reality: Blane McIlroy asking Dara Florence to stay the night because he "would give her the night of her life". She said No.
UsedToWait wrote: » While I agree with much of your analysis, the parts I've highlighted in bold are contradictory - if you accept that the complainant can perceive that the act was non-consensual, "even if no rape actually does occur", surely the corollary is true, and the accused can perceive that the act was consensual, and that there was no "criminal intent to inflict these crimes on the female"
ArthurDayne wrote: » I have re-read my comment and must admit that I cannot see how those parts are contradictory. The first part talks about rape / sexual assault and the second part talks about instances where rape / sex assault does not occur even when a woman does not consent to a particular sex act and honestly believes that she has been victim of rape / sexual assault. The difference between both scenarios is that a criminal act requires both the actus reus (the guilty act) and the mens rea (the guilty mind) i.e. the criminal act and the intent to commit that criminal act, or being reckless in the commission of that act. The complainant may honestly perceive that she has been victim of an actus reus, but it may well be the case that the mens rea is absent – and therefore it is not a rape even if the complainant perceives it to be. In such instances, neither the complainant is lying nor is the defendant guilty. Happy to clarify this in alternative wording if this isn't clear!
Appledreams15 wrote: » We are talking about the rape case currently in the media. Some people before me said thar PJ and SO were really famous with people in their droves around them Anyone Ive talked to only know them from the trial. They're famous now alright. Infamous
Appledreams15 wrote: » Reality: Blane McIlroy asking Dara Florence to stay the night because he "would give her the night of her life". She said No.
Strazdas wrote: » That's definitely totally wrong and inappropriate. She testified honestly on the stand and has done nothing to invite any criticism.
Appledreams15 wrote: We are talking about the rape case currently in the media.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » It was quite clear from how she was sitting on the sofa that she wasn't into Blane. I think she was after Paddy meself and that would explain why she went mooching maybe and pehaps also why she took her time closing the door after discovering the menage a trois. Indeed, and she's also rather nobly turned down substantial offers to sell her story.https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/rugby-rape-trial-witness-dara-florence-turned-down-big-cash-offers-to-sell-story-36761928.html
RabbleRouser2k wrote: » Looks like one of those 'posey' pics-like she was more about 'take a pic of my best side' kinda thing. She may very well have been interested in none of those guys-PJ's a ginger and an unlikeable guy from some accounts, and Blaine doesn't seem that bright. (Yep, I'm being judgemental). I mean, was it established if she had a boyfriend? She turned down the guys, so she may have morals. Went home with her friend that night too.
RabbleRouser2k wrote: She may very well have been interested in none of those guys-PJ's a ginger and an unlikeable guy from some accounts, and Blaine doesn't seem that bright. (Yep, I'm being judgemental). I mean, was it established if she had a boyfriend? She turned down the guys, so she may have morals.
Hitman3000 wrote: » What has someone's hair colour got to do with anything? Unlikable guy, from some accounts? Which are?
Roger Hassenforder wrote: I heard somewhere ginger people have no souls
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » I heard somewhere ginger people have no souls
joe40 wrote: » Are you saying that the man must know it is rape and have a "guilty mind" for the crime of rape to take place. I also agree with most of you previous post but that makes no sense. Maybe I am misinterpreting what you are saying though
RuMan wrote: » " an unlikeable guy" Did u pull that out of ur ass or have you had a lot of dealings with the man that allow u to come to that conclusion ? Perhaps u read something on twitter.
RabbleRouser2k wrote: » Rosanna Cooney gave a really strong summation of the events and the court case. (She's one shining light in a world of crap on Joe.ie)https://www.joe.ie/news/legends-inside-story-belfast-rape-trial-620896
Appledreams15 wrote: » My mother was raped. She was on a first date, in a pub, and they went to go to another pub. He asked her could they stop at his house (very near the pub) to pick up something he needed. She said yeah. She went in with him. He pushed her on the bed and raped her. She told me about it many many years later. She had never told anyone else before she told me. I was so happy she was able to get it out and tell someone, because it had hurt her for many many years. She said, when she told me, "People would say it was my fault for going back to his house". That enraged me and made me cry. People deserve not to get raped! I fight for her and other women like her.
Fann Linn wrote: » So Dara Florence said 'No'.Her non consent was respected. Was''t brought upstairs and gang raped. Wasn't left in hysterics. Wasn't left lacerated and bleeding. I can see why the alleged defendents were found 'Not Guilty'.
RabbleRouser2k wrote: » It's more the blackface-anyone defending that can bite me.
ArthurDayne wrote: » Exactly. Rape under the law requires two elements, which can be lightly summarised as such : (1) that the complainant did not consent and (2) that the defendant neither had an honest belief nor reasonable grounds for belief that the complainant had consented. So to put it in a practical example: Let us say a man is having sex with a woman and either the initiation of the sex or an act which takes place during that sex is not consented to by the female. At this point, the first branch of rape is extant. The second branch, in order for this to be a rape, requires that the man does not honestly believe, or does not have reasonable grounds for believing, that the woman has consented to this act. This is an important distinction because, as can be seen from the above, it is legally plausible that a woman does not consent to sex or an act during sex and may honestly believe that she is being raped -- but it is still not rape because the man honestly believes or has reasonable grounds for believing that she has consented. Such scenarios are demonstrative that, even if a man has not committed rape (i.e. because he honestly believed or had reasonable grounds for believing that the woman consented), this does not entail that a woman is lying about not having consented. This is an extremely important point in protecting women who make honest complaints about having been subjected to a non-consensual sex act from being branded liars purely because a man had reasonable grounds for believing that she consented. I appreciate that this can be a little difficult to grasp at first but this is, generally speaking, the position of Irish law on the matter of rape. Again, happy to explain this further with some hypothetical examples if that is helpful.
ELM327 wrote: » Yes. And the court found that the same statements were true of the "victim", as the 4 men were found not guilty
