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Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

Sam Quentin

Strange.. I'm kinda relieved it's all over.

http://www.thejournal.ie/belfast-rape-trial-verdict-3928309-Mar2018/

Mod Note Keep this relevant to this thread and don't bring up others. ie the eighth amendment thread.

MOD NOTE By the way don't post anything from members on the jury that's appearing online.

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the_pen_turner

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Rape culture has many elements. I added more to the list because I remembered more.

And not one poster has been able to deal with a single one of them and dispute how hey are not part of rape culture, least of all you.

you could take that seriously if it wasnt so biased against men. women rape too, women dont take no for an answer, women touch men without permision too.

hynesie08

Strazdas wrote: »

Can't believe that people can't see an issue with a player of his stature referring to women as "sluts". If that's not offensive, what term could he possibly use about them that is offensive? It seems the phrase 'sexism' no longer even exists on Boards.

In a private conversation brought up in a case that had nothing to do with him. It's not a nice word but have you never called someone a stupid **** for cutting you off? Or a tramp? A fat bastard? Have you never used an inappropriate insult in a situation you never thought would come to light? Cause I have, and I'd wager most here have as well.

hill16bhoy

the_pen_turner wrote: »

you could take that seriously if it wasnt so biased against men. women rape too, women dont take no for an answer, women touch men without permision too.

Any chance you could give me a statistic as to what proportion of rapes and sexual assaults are carried out by women?

I'm a white, straight Irish man by the way.

ShowMeTheCash

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Another culture that exists here is the culture of denying reality.

You got that right..... You have done yourself no favors on this thread if your aim was to be taken anyway seriously...

tretorn

Henceceforth young men are to say I had carnal relations with a very nice young lady last night.

All whatsapp conversations of males under thirty are to be scrutinised by the morality police and anyone found using the word slut in any context is to attend mandatory consent classes run by Ruth Coppinger.

hill16bhoy

emeraldwinter wrote: »

What per reviewed article is it from exactly ?

Any chance even one of the rape culture deniers could even address one of the examples I gave?

How about yourself?

the_pen_turner

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Any chance you could give me a statistic as to what proportion of rapes and sexual assaults are carried out by women?

I'm a white, straight Irish man by the way.so am i

im working on stats if you need them.
given that women cannot be charged with rape in this country then it will relly squew the stats

Strazdas

hynesie08 wrote: »

In a private conversation brought up in a case that had nothing to do with him. It's not a nice word but have you never called someone a stupid **** for cutting you off? Or a tramp? A fat bastard? Have you never used an inappropriate insult in a situation you never thought would come to light? Cause I have, and I'd wager most here have as well.

He wasn't even taking about a specific woman but women in general. Is there no such thing as sexist language any longer? That's the type of thing that could get a TV presenter fired from their job.

ShowMeTheCash

Strazdas wrote: »

He wasn't even taking about a specific woman but women in general. Is there no such thing as sexist language any longer? That's the type of thing that could get a TV presenter fired from their job.

Wonder when it comes to derogatory comments against women. Wonder who tops the polls. Men or other women?

My money would be on women talking about other women!

tretorn

When we are finished with the rugby players we can move onto sanitising the TV presenters.

emeraldwinter

Strazdas wrote: »

He wasn't even taking about a specific woman but women in general. Is there no such thing as sexist language any longer? That's the type of thing that could get a TV presenter fired from their job.

Is there no difference from private conversation vs on the TV ?

emeraldwinter

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Any chance even one of the rape culture deniers could even address one of the examples I gave?

How about yourself?

Why ? It would just be a made up list of things.

hill16bhoy

Nermal wrote: »

So by trying to refute your argument, we're confirming it?

Is that the sort of logic they teach in consent class?

Nobody has made a genuine attempt to refute my argument.

Weasel words, false statements and crap attempts at sarcasm do not constitute a rebuttal of an argument.

They might in the deluded fantasy world of imagined male victimhood culture but not in the real world.

hill16bhoy

emeraldwinter wrote: »

Why ? It would just be a made up list of things.

Go through them one by one and tell what's made up, so.

emeraldwinter

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Go through them one by one and tell what's made up, so.

The Rape culture part.

ShowMeTheCash

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Any chance even one of the rape culture deniers could even address one of the examples I gave?

How about yourself?

You want to use the world culture, many on here have demonstrated why the word culture is idiotic, your argument makes no sense.
As another poster put it as the majority of people in Ireland agree rape is bad and literally no one thinks it is acceptable we could argue we live in an "anti-rape culture"

Your points are moot and nonsensical....

hill16bhoy

the_pen_turner wrote: »

im working on stats if you need them.
given that women cannot be charged with rape in this country then it will relly squew the stats

They can.

ShowMeTheCash

hill16bhoy wrote: »

They can.

No they cannot.

hill16bhoy

emeraldwinter wrote: »

The Rape culture part.

Again, you've deflected.

I've listed numerous examples of rape culture.

Why can't you, or anybody else, even deal with one of them?

emeraldwinter

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

No they cannot.

They can if they penetrate you. Like a finger but still. The rest is sexual assault.

hill16bhoy

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

No they cannot.

They can. Read it.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1990/act/32/section/4/enacted/en/html#sec4

emeraldwinter

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Again, you've deflected.

I've listed numerous examples of rape culture.

Why can't you, or anybody else, even deal with one of them?

Because we have no rape culture.

The term "rape culture" was first coined in the 1970s in the United States by second-wave feminists, and was applied to contemporary American culture as a whole.

Hitman3000

hill16bhoy wrote:

I've listed numerous examples of rape culture.

'Rape culture' where a society normalises rape, you talking about Ireland?

hill16bhoy

emeraldwinter wrote: »

Because we have no rape culture.

The term "rape culture" was first coined in the 1970s in the United States by second-wave feminists, and was applied to contemporary American culture as a whole.

Rape culture doesn't recognise national boundaries.

This is incredible.

Have you any more of this nonsense?

emeraldwinter

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Rape culture doesn't recognise national boundaries.

This is incredible.

Have you any more of this nonsense?

Yes it does Ireland is not India. Or the African sub continuant in areas.

Strazdas

emeraldwinter wrote: »

Is there no difference from private conversation vs on the TV ?

Unfortunately for Gilroy, the text has come into the public domain.

Talk about private conversations is all well and good, but if something comes into the public domain, it comes into the public domain - if a rugby player referred to a well known black person as an 'N' in a phone text, and that text becomes public, they'd be in a lot of trouble.

emeraldwinter

Strazdas wrote: »

Unfortunately for Gilroy, the text has come into the public domain.

Talk about private conversations is all well and good, but if something comes into the public domain, it comes into the public domain - if a rugby player referred to a well known black person as an 'N' in a phone text, and that text becomes public, they'd be in a lot of trouble.

The last Taoiseach got away with it ?

One eyed Jack

hill16bhoy wrote: »

One of the definitions of culture in the Oxford dictionary is as follows:

"The attitudes and behaviour characteristic of a particular social group.
‘the emerging drug culture’"

The particular social group that engages in rape culture is young men, not exclusively, but usually.

All of the following are attitudes and/or behaviour characteristics and all are elements of rape culture.

...

I'm not going to quote that list, because it's far too long, and that's one of the problems with how you identify and define what you call 'rape culture'. Literally anything you can think of, you can now say that it is endemic or indigenous to young men and identify it as part of 'rape culture'. You can add infinitely to that list and ascribe any attitude or behaviour you like and identify it as an indication of what you call 'rape culture', to the effect that the term loses all meaning as it doesn't describe any particular attitude or behaviour that specifically identifies 'rape culture' as distinct from other cultures, because anything men do, or say, or even think, is now a contributing factor to 'rape culture'.

What does your identification of 'rape culture' do to address the issues of rape and sexual assault in society? If you agree that rape is a crime committed by individuals, then why do you try and suggest that rape and sexual assault are a cultural issue? Why call it 'rape culture' when in spite of the fact that the list of factors you identify as attributable to rape culture are so endemic among men, yet there are only a tiny minority of men in any given society who actually commit rape?

There are an infinite number of reasons as to why an individual would commit rape and sexual assault, and your list does nothing to identify any of those reasons, nor does the term 'rape culture' itself identify any of those reasons. You have nothing but correlations to back up your assertions, yet if you were to take a minute to engage your critical faculties, you wouldn't try and brush anyone who questions your ideology off with this crap -

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Rape culture is the denial that there is a problem with any of this.

You're suggesting that anyone who questions your ideology is contributing to the perpetuation of it, circular logic which makes absolutely no sense, but to you it makes your argument infallible. Why should anyone who doesn't agree with you actually then take your argument seriously? I just have to accept that I am part of rape culture and I contribute to people being raped and sexually assaulted, because you say so?

Just how arrogant and up their own orifice does one have to be to buy into that horseshít?

hill16bhoy

emeraldwinter wrote: »

Yes it does Ireland is not India. Or the African sub continuant in areas.

This is another deflection technique that was used earlier.

Stating that there may be a bigger problem somewhere else in the world does not mean there isn't a problem in Ireland.

Could you imagine the Government denying there is a crisis on hospital waiting lists or a housing crisis because "it's worse in Libya".

Em, no.

emeraldwinter

hill16bhoy wrote: »

This is another deflection technique that was used earlier.

Stating that there may be a bigger problem somewhere else in the world does not mean there isn't a problem in Ireland.

Could you imagine the Government denying there is a crisis on hospital waiting lists or a housing crisis because "it's worse in Libya".

Em, no.

So now we have a Rape crisis ???