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Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

Sam Quentin

Strange.. I'm kinda relieved it's all over.

http://www.thejournal.ie/belfast-rape-trial-verdict-3928309-Mar2018/

Mod Note Keep this relevant to this thread and don't bring up others. ie the eighth amendment thread.

MOD NOTE By the way don't post anything from members on the jury that's appearing online.

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kylith

professore wrote: »

[*]They think it's a good idea to rub themselves all over a man naked they don't know from adam and say "only kissing" and expect that to be OK and perfectly safe 100% of the time

Are men so incapable of controlling themselves that they can't not have sex with a woman? And they say women are slaves to their hormones!

I must go home and give my OH a medal. Many's the night we've been in bed stark naked, kissing and cuddling, and he's managed to not just stick his willy in without getting the nod.

posturingpat

kylith wrote: »

Are men so incapable of controlling themselves that they can't not have sex with a woman? And they say women are slaves to their hormones!

I must go home and give my OH a medal. Many's the night we've been in bed stark naked, kissing and cuddling, and he's managed to not just stick his willy in without getting the nod.

Even better again, let him slip it in for a late Easter treat

freshpopcorn

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

What this thread also seems to prove is we live in a SJW and femanazi culture where kangaroo courts of the emotionally charged and ill informed run rampant on social media and online forums void of logic and practicality....

What does culture mean?

Comments still going around that they'd always believe a woman who said she was raped because why would you put yourself through it if it wasn't!

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professore

kylith wrote: »

Are men so incapable of controlling themselves that they can't not have sex with a woman? And they say women are slaves to their hormones!

I must go home and give my OH a medal. Many's the night we've been in bed stark naked, kissing and cuddling, and he's managed to not just stick his willy in without getting the nod.

Do you know your OH from Adam? I would think so. As I have often done with my OH. That's not what I'm referring to.

ShowMeTheCash

kylith wrote: »

Are men so incapable of controlling themselves that they can't not have sex with a woman? And they say women are slaves to their hormones!

I must go home and give my OH a medal. Many's the night we've been in bed stark naked, kissing and cuddling, and he's managed to not just stick his willy in without getting the nod.

Does he give you the nod when you climb on top of him?

erica74

professore wrote: »

Seems to me that the kind of sex certain women are having is very much 2018 - but their communication around it is still back somewhere in the 1950s.

Guys have actually evolved a lot but women have if anything gone backwards in the last 30 years. The rugger bugger types are an exception rather than the rule, hence the success of Ross O'Carroll Kelly because his attitude to women and life in general is so ridiculous it's hilarious.
They don't bring condoms with them, despite having lots of casual sex boasting to their friends about it.

They don't seem to understand casual sex is a risky activity in all sorts of ways. Especially as a woman.

They think it's a good idea to rub themselves all over a man naked they don't know from adam and expect that to be OK and perfectly safe 100% of the time

They judge men on what they wear yet if they dress like a porn star they are horrified if a man treats them as such

They are shocked and horrified when men use terms like "spit roasting" but yet say they are sexual beings and have no issue with films like 50 shades or Magic Mike

They throw themselves at celebrities and then can't understand why they act "entitled" and don't want to marry them

If a guy does treat them with respect he is cheated on and made fun of. If he doesn't he's a ****boy.

I'm not surprised men are tuning out of relationships and women in general at an increasing rate.

Who are you talking about here? Women you have met? Women you have had sexual encounters with?

professore

....... wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Yeah he was completely out of order.

kylith

posturingpat wrote: »

Even better again, let him slip it in for a late Easter treat

He can apply in writing with a flight plan two weeks in advance, as usual.

ShowMeTheCash

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Comments still going around that they'd always believe a woman who said she was raped because why would you put yourself through it if it wasn't!

If I woman told me she was raped, my initial position would be to believe her as would I think most peoples.....

Mrsmum

professore wrote: »

Seems to me that the kind of sex certain women are having is very much 2018 - but their communication around it is still back somewhere in the 1950s.

Guys have actually evolved a lot but women have if anything gone backwards in the last 30 years. The rugger bugger types are an exception rather than the rule, hence the success of Ross O'Carroll Kelly because his attitude to women and life in general is so ridiculous it's hilarious.
They don't bring condoms with them, despite having lots of casual sex boasting to their friends about it.

They don't seem to understand casual sex is a risky activity in all sorts of ways. Especially as a woman.

They think it's a good idea to rub themselves all over a man naked they don't know from adam and expect that to be OK and perfectly safe 100% of the time

They judge men on what they wear yet if they dress like a porn star they are horrified if a man treats them as such

They are shocked and horrified when men use terms like "spit roasting" but yet say they are sexual beings and have no issue with films like 50 shades or Magic Mike

They throw themselves at celebrities and then can't understand why they act "entitled" and don't want to marry them

If a guy does treat them with respect he is cheated on and made fun of. If he doesn't he's a ****boy.

I'm not surprised men are tuning out of relationships and women in general at an increasing rate.

Some women do some of those non illegal and often fun things. Some women do all of them. Some women do none of them yet despite this are still raped by some men.

professore

erica74 wrote: »

Who are you talking about here? Women you have met? Women you have had sexual encounters with?

I haven't had sexual encounters with women other than my spouse in over 20 years.

Just from reading media, sites like this one, and talking to certain women acquaintances. Not friends ... more like friends of friends, and also some friends who know women like this. They tend to have a certain look and way of talking.

Most of my female friends have a few brain cells to rub together. I'm not talking about those.

PaulieC

Donnybrook stadium is now called Energia Park. Check out the fron page on their website, https://www.energia.ie/energiapark"

Donnybrook Stadium, is now Energia Park.
It'll always be where you reached second base for the first time. Moments go by, but memories never leave us. Reminisce and create new memories with us. The time is now.

I find it pretty tasteless to celebrate the new sponsorship by remembering the time the lads got to finger 14 your old girls around the back of the wes. Why stop at second base anyway ? Why not third base ? #topshaggers

freshpopcorn

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

If I woman told me she was raped, my initial position would be to believe her as would I think most peoples.....

Even when your on a jury and you have to listen to the evidence given in court?
If that's the case why even have a court case just send the lad to jail.

sightband

Tell me how wrote: »

Nope.

Also nope.

some fantastic counter arguments you’ve made there

professore

Mrsmum wrote: »

Some women do some of those non illegal and often fun things. Some women do all of them. Some women do none of them yet despite this are still raped by some men.

Not disputing that for one second Mrsmum. Both those type of women tend to be the most vocal about the most minor issues - and discredit the more serious cases.

Ulysses Gaze

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This post has been deleted.

It means that the guy who said it is a fvcking tool and a clown of the highest order.

professore

PaulieC wrote: »

Donnybrook stadium is now called Energia Park. Check out the fron page on their website, https://www.energia.ie/energiapark"

I find it pretty tasteless to celebrate the new sponsorship by remembering the time the lads got to finger 14 your old girls around the back of the wes. Why stop at second base anyway ? Why not third base ? #topshaggers

Holy sh1t that's poor advertising

professore

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

If I woman told me she was raped, my initial position would be to believe her as would I think most peoples.....

What if she was always making up fantastic stories? Would you still automatically unquestioningly believe her?

posturingpat

PaulieC wrote: »

Donnybrook stadium is now called Energia Park. Check out the fron page on their website, https://www.energia.ie/energiapark"

I find it pretty tasteless to celebrate the new sponsorship by remembering the time the lads got to finger 14 your old girls around the back of the wes. Why stop at second base anyway ? Why not third base ? #topshaggers

Pretty stupid on their behalf, surely somebody could've spotted in the current climate in particular this would come across badly.

posturingpat

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

It means that the guy who said it is a fvcking tool and a clown of the highest order.

The imaginary one?

RabbleRouser2k

professore wrote: »

Holy sh1t that's poor advertising

Appalling.

ShowMeTheCash

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Even when your on a jury and you have to listen to the evidence given in court?
If that's the case why even have a court case just send the lad to jail.

If someone told me they where raped I would take them at their word, if needs be I would even report it to the Gardi I would not atomically think they are lying. As I am sure you would if a friend told you they where raped at some point in the past....

If on a jury I would need to see the evidence and there would need to be reliable and satisfactory evidence in order to make a conviction.

Tipcorlad

I cant post a link but if anyone is interested Soberpaddy on facebook has a really good article about consent on his page. It should be compulsory reading for all sexually active men.

ShowMeTheCash

professore wrote: »

What if she was always making up fantastic stories? Would you still automatically unquestioningly believe her?

Would not be my job to question it, but if she was known to make up stories then of course that would make her less credible.

Fann Linn

posturingpat wrote: »

Pretty stupid on their behalf, surely somebody could've spotted in the current climate in particular this would come across badly.

Not everyone uses a sjw filter. Some people I'm sure, can identify something, in this case an ad, without getting offended.

ShowMeTheCash

Tipcorlad wrote: »

I cant post a link but if anyone is interested Soberpaddy on facebook has a really good article about consent on his page. It should be compulsory reading for all sexually active men.

Why just men?

Tipcorlad

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

Why just men?

Because the article is particularly directed at men

hill16bhoy

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

What this thread also seems to prove is we live in a SJW and femanazi culture where kangaroo courts of the emotionally charged and ill informed run rampant on social media and online forums void of logic and practicality....

In a post where you brand others as "emotionally charged and ill informed", I rather think the irony of your resorting to the standard alt-right playbook, including you branding feminists as "Nazis", is lost on you."

Ironically, "rapenazis" would be a far more cogent and accurate term for many on this thread who mitigate, seek to victim blame perpetuate tired, mendacious tropes about rape, and in some cases, flat out deny that acts which categorically constitute sexual assault and/or rape are such.

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

What does culture mean?

Culture can be a belief system, a thought process, a way of acting, language. Or it can be a refusal to face up to the inherent ignorance in all of the previous four. Rape culture is all of those things.

Rape culture is the belief that if a woman doesn't fight or scream, it can't be rape.

Rape culture is believing that it's just fine to perform a sex act on a person who is asleep.

Rape culture is deliberately and mendaciously twisting the verdict of a trial to make out that a jury has found a complainant's allegations of rape to be lies.

Rape culture is calls to vilify and publicly out a complainant in a rape trial.

Rape culture is believing that a woman desperately asking a man to "at least use a condom" constitutes consent.

Rape culture is believing that a woman entering a man's bedroom equals consent.

Rape culture is using the utterly bogus argument of "personal responsibility" to mitigate the heinous crime of rape. There is no such a thing as the responsibility of a person to not be the victim of a crime, only the responsibility of a person to not commit a crime.

Rape culture is believing that women who wear certain clothes or get drunk are in any way at all responsible if they are raped.

Rape culture is referring to women as animals in language.

Rape culture is referring to sex as something a man does to a woman, and in violent terms.

Rape culture is the denial that there is a problem with any of this.

freshpopcorn

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

If someone told me they where raped I would take them at their word, if needs be I would even report it to the Gardi I would not atomically think they are lying. As I am sure you would if a friend told you they where raped at some point in the past....

If on a jury I would need to see the evidence and there would need to be reliable and satisfactory evidence in order to make a conviction.

If a friend/family member told me they were raped I'd believe them. There is one relative who'd I be a little dodgy of to be honest.
Similar they are a group of sister in my local town who have accused more than one man of rape and they've always being caught out for lying. If one of these women came up to me and said they were raped. I probably wouldn't.
If I was on a jury tough I'd listen to evidence. They are people online saying they'd always find him guilty because no woman would put themselves through a trial. These are the comments I have issues with.