Harrison Nutty Pelican wrote: » I think you think that'd be a burn? Or a good point? I believe them both. It's not hard.
VonZan wrote: » The audience have already made there mind up about this case. They want 'justice' despite it already being delivered at least in the eyes of the law. What these people want is an automatic right to their truth which something that society or our criminal justice system cannot and should not give them. Rape is a particularly difficult crime to prove in cases where it isn't obvious and some level of consent had taken place at some point (both parties ended up in the same bedroom willingly etc).
For more than 60 years, the Derbyshire Constabulary Male Voice Choir has proudly represented the force at events all across the country raising thousands of pounds for charity. Meeting every Monday evening at St Mary's Wharf Police Station in Derby, it’s fair to say their association with Derbyshire Constabulary has had everyone singing from the same hymn sheet. But now it’s members, made up of civilians but linked to the force because its singers wear police tunics in live performances, claim they are “no longer wanted”. Because of their refusal to accept female members - a request in a gender equality drive by the force - they are now left looking for a new venue to practice their singing. It has emerged the force's Chief Constable Peter Goodman says he can "no longer support" the organisation, and gave notice that the authorisation for the choir to use "Derbyshire Constabulary" in its name had been revoked. It has left many its members "heartbroken" and believing they are the victims of "political correctness".
silverharp wrote: » men meeting together is verbotenhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/04/police-force-kicks-all-male-choir-refuses-accept-female-singers/
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Why did you make a caricature that by saying men meeting together is verboten? It's not a story about men meeting together being banned? Are you trying to be the male equivalent of a hysterical feminist as a joke or are you being serious?
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iptba wrote: » Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not) (Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on) #HealthyIrelandMenhttps://twitter.com/MensHealthIRL/status/974064345406738432https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/974190696415612928https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/974287475274387458 #LFAurorahttps://www.lfhe.ac.uk/en/programmes-events/programmes/women-only/aurora/ "Developing future leaders for higher education Aurora is our women-only leadership development programme. It is a unique partnership initiative bringing together leadership experts and higher education institutions to take positive action to address the under-representation of women in leadership positions in the sector. Over the past four years 3477 women from over 139 institutions across the UK and Ireland have participated. We seek to further support women and their institutions to enable leadership potential, and further embed strong networks across the sector to share best practice, insights and experiences." #MuslimWomensDay Amplifying and celebrating Muslim women on Muslim Women's Day #IBelieveHer #WeStandWithHer #GenderPayGap
tigger123 wrote: » Why are you quoting the LF Aurora programme?
iptba wrote: » I post gender-related hashtags that trended. I find it interesting to see all the women-only events and initiatives that only help women.
Sleepy wrote: » I'd think the main thing that should be coming out of the Jackson case in terms of Mens Rights is that the UK should look at following our policy of not naming the accused in such cases until a guilty verdict is announced.
silverharp wrote: » take it as code for rolleyes, what a surprise , even on the British news they had comments in "political correctness gone mad", so did you chuckle to yourself and think one more male space confined to history , the struggle continues ? or do you have another opinion
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » My opinion is straightforward enough. It’s a police choir is a state club so it’s difficult to make the case that it should be allowed to discriminate on grounds of gender. A private choir can do what it likes. Do you think in a state club women should be able to exclude and be excluded by men?
silverharp wrote: » A male choir is its own thing with a unique sound , if there are women in it , its just a choir. There is no discrimination that I can see. if we were talking about an all male state theatre group one might well that isn't a thing as there is no usp involved.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » I imagine a male choir has its own sound. But that’s not really what I asked. “Do you think in a state club women should be able to exclude and be excluded by men?” I know a private club can do what it likes so I’m asking about it a state club because the choir you brought up is a police choir.
silverharp wrote: » I don't see the problem, they could invite a mixed choirs to use their facilities to open it up if they wished but you cant have a mixed male choir, its in the name and I don't see that they should shaft the group using their facilities at the moment. There is nothing sexist about a male choir.
givyjoe wrote: » Boyzone = sexist
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » But allowing women into the police choir is sexist against men? Could I just see if you have an answer to the above?
silverharp wrote: » its attacking men for being part of a male choir, its saying their group has to end by becoming something else.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » It’s attacking men? Seriously? I’m still wondering if you’ll answer the question above. Do you think in a state club, women should be free to exclude and be excluded by men?
silverharp wrote: » I did answer a couple of times now, I said I don't see a problem , in this case you might as well ask are men excluded from a maternity hospital?the "excluded" doesn't make sense, its a feature of the activity "a male choir". I believe you are trying to use "excluded" in a loaded way to make it sound bad.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Ok I acknowledge your answer. It’s not really like a maternity hospital though. Because men can’t possibly give birth but men and women can sing. Sooooooo ya know. In any case they did the most sensible thing. They changed from being a associates with the state by becoming a community men’s choir rather than a police men’s choir. So they didn’t have to let those big meany-guts girls into their club in the end. They left the state in an unfair position. Now as a private club they can do as they like. Problem solved I should think.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Was boyzone a state club like a police choir? Not really analogous then, is it?
silverharp wrote: » but women cant be part of a male choir its in the name, and here it comes "big meany-guts girls"
givyjoe wrote: » El_Duderino 09 wrote: » Was boyzone a state club like a police choir? Not really analogous then, is it? It was clearly a joke :rolleyes:. I do enjoy your wonderful contributions (that's sarcasm in cased you missed it).
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » The fact that it was a state choir makes it difficult to make the case for having a choir that excludes one gender or another. A private club on the other hand can do what it likes. So they can now do what they like. I think it's childish to expect the state to support a club that excludes one gender or the other. They got away with it for 60 years is that it was challenged it didn't hold up to scrutiny. Hey set up their own private men only choir. Everyone should be happy.
