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Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

Sam Quentin

Strange.. I'm kinda relieved it's all over.

http://www.thejournal.ie/belfast-rape-trial-verdict-3928309-Mar2018/

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GreeBo

irishrebe wrote: »

And what if they don't wake up at all because they're a heavy sleeper? Is that morally OK to you?

FrancieBrady

The Talking Bread wrote: »

What is a "normal person" in your mindset

Is someone abnormal if they awake to someone with their fingers in their vagina and/or someone down on them and report the CRIME to the police? You can be a "normal" person and not be into someone sexually pestering you while you are asleep to the point they actually feel violated.

Jesus, you are messed up.

You say no, and the normal person with stops.

This is more of the all men are trash narrative that is polluting this debate.

emeraldwinter

Faugheen wrote: »

No, I have shown you the legislation. It's very clear on this issue.

Stop telling me I'm wrong when I'm not.

The legislation that is taken into account on a case by case basis by the judge.

irishman86

irishrebe wrote: »

Sure, everyone loves Ireland when they visit. It's great on the surface. Why don't you invite them to this thread to have a read of this thread? Certainly changed some of my mates' outlook on the place, along with the fact it's 2018 and we're still debating whether rape victims are allowed to have an abortion.

Oh dear god please stop, you are just talking nonsense
Every country in the world have these exact conversations. Why do you say youve lived abroad but ignore that these conversations exist in every corner of the world
Its nothing to do with rape victims having a abortion its the law in place which will be gone soon enough
You have zero argument just bull****. If anyone has turned people of Ireland its you and your nonsensical views
Youve been ranting and flat out lying for days now. Ive already said it but people like you are the problem not the solution
Ive followed this whole thread and seen some good points on both sides but not from you, all ive seen is attacks on irish men.
I know you wish to come across as clever, but honestly you have failed miserably

Faugheen

emeraldwinter wrote: »

I'm still waiting for the Penetration vs none penetration. The law is taken on a case by case basis. I have yet to see a case based on what many have said.

No idea what you're talking about.

And me neither.

freshpopcorn

MOD NOTE irishrebe Two warnings in one day and now discussing a forbidden topic/ignoring mod instruction.
Don't post in this thread again!

RuMan

irishrebe wrote: »

And what if they don't wake up at all because they're a heavy sleeper? Is that morally OK to you?

Reason i or they would be doing is to give pleasure. If the person doesnt wake up it is a pointless act and you or they would stop.

I have been half asleep and receiving oral but rolled away and the other party ceased.

Faugheen

emeraldwinter wrote: »

The legislation that is taken into account on a case by case basis by the judge.

Yeah, and the legalisation is clear as day here.

irishman86

Ive seen feminists mentioned more than once
Feminists never have or ever will be the problem imo
They want equal treatment, thats a march i could 100% get behind
These idiots ranting and raving like a certain poster here and on twitter are not feminists.
These are women ruled by hate and with a goal of superiority as they feel they deserve power and respect
These are not feminists

emeraldwinter

Faugheen wrote: »

Yeah, and the legalisation is clear as day here.

Then why do we have judges to interpret ?

The Talking Bread

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You say no, and the normal person with stops.

This is more of the all men are trash narrative that is polluting this debate.

1. I am a man.
2. This has nothing to do with man v woman. We are talking about the law here, not some sort of moral crusade or opinion movement
3. If the person stops after you say no when they wake up to find you doing this, you have already committed the crime. You can't undo it. Once they are awake they are able to give consent, if asleeep, they are not.

So if they can't give consent, due to being asleep, you have committed a crime.

Noone is going to pop through your window and arrest you. But the lucky recipient of your fetish activity is perfectly capable of reporting you for a CRIME.....................if they wish.

Faugheen

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You say no, and the normal person with stops.

This is more of the all men are trash narrative that is polluting this debate.

I am a man, and this started because I said a man had been sexually assaulted. So no, this isn't a men are trash narrative, this is a 'some people haven't a ****ing clue' narrative.

A 'normal' person would be well within their rights to report you because you know performing a sex act on them while they sleep is wrong, but you do it anyway.

irishrebe

FrancieBrady wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

And what if they don't wake up at all because they're a heavy sleeper? Is that morally OK to you?

Jumping the shark now.

I'm asking a question. I'm wondering how long is reasonable to perform the sex act for until the person wakes up?

FrancieBrady

irishman86 wrote: »

Ive seen feminists mentioned more than once
Feminists never have or ever will be the problem imo
They want equal treatment, thats a march i could 100% get behind
These idiots ranting and raving like a certain poster here and on twitter are not feminists.
These are women ruled by hate and with a goal of superiority as they feel they deserve power and respect
These are not feminists

I honestly think some of them are worse than the church ever was.
Ru McDermott believes it is right and proper that a woman can withdraw consent after a night of consensual drunken sex.

Faugheen

emeraldwinter wrote: »

Then why do we have judges to interpret ?

How else could performing a sex act on someone while they sleep be interpreted?

What the actual **** are you talking about?

RuMan

irishman86 wrote: »

Ive seen feminists mentioned more than once
Feminists never have or ever will be the problem imo
They want equal treatment, thats a march i could 100% get behind
These idiots ranting and raving like a certain poster here and on twitter are not feminists.
These are women ruled by hate and with a goal of superiority as they feel they deserve power and respect
These are not feminists

Equal treatment is fine. Identity politics is not, it is divisive and sets one group against another. As a man I do not see " woman" as the enemy and neither do most women.
You get the odd nutter , best to ignore although social media has given these loons more of a voice.

freshpopcorn

irishrebe wrote: »

I'm asking a question. I'm wondering how long is reasonable to perform the sex act for until the person wakes up?

Your band from the thread. Don't post here again.

Sardonicat

irishman86 wrote: »

they feel they deserve power and respect

Those crazy broads!

tretorn

The IRFU should stand up to those marching fanatics, I mean in the name of God who takes Coppinger or Brid Smyth seriously.

Most sensible people in the country tell their daughters not to drink too much and not to go on one night stands with people they dont know. Parents wouldnt even mention blowjobs because that would be too much to take in.

Most parents can read evidence in a case with their own eyes and clearly understand that there was no force used and therefore no rape.

Most parents who have sons in their twenties know how immature these men are and how they dont get sense until they are hitting thirty. They dont care who or what they have sex with and if they get sex handed to them on a plate they arent going to say thank you very much and can I take you out to dinner.

irishman86

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I honestly think some of them are worse than the church ever was.
Ru McDermott believes it is right and proper that a woman can withdraw consent after a night of consensual drunken sex.

Feminists no, i have zero problems with there plight, id go out of my way to support it
Feminazis well long walk on a short pier be my solution

Silentcorner

irishman86 wrote: »

Ive seen feminists mentioned more than once
Feminists never have or ever will be the problem imo
They want equal treatment, thats a march i could 100% get behind
These idiots ranting and raving like a certain poster here and on twitter are not feminists.
These are women ruled by hate and with a goal of superiority as they feel they deserve power and respect
These are not feminists

Whats your point though...other than the fact you don't like those who don't agree with you!!!

emeraldwinter

Faugheen wrote: »

How else could performing a sex act on someone while they sleep be interpreted?

What the actual **** are you talking about?

Easy by the Judge that's why we have them and not drumhead trials. Remember the recent constitutional case in relation to the unborn. In the constitution in black and white.. But needed to be ran passed the legal system.

irishrebe

RuMan wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

Sure, everyone loves Ireland when they visit. It's great on the surface. Why don't you invite them to this thread to have a read of this thread? Certainly changed some of my mates' outlook on the place, along with the fact it's 2018 and we're still debating whether rape victims are allowed to have an abortion.

U have issues. I'd suggest resolving them or throwing urself into life in Canada and forgetting about Ireland.

I wouldnt form an opinion on Canada based on some internet forum myself.

The lovely green fields and decent tea don't really make up for the fact that some very basic women's rights are lacking in our so-called modern and developed country. So we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm well aware that nowhere is perfect.

irishman86

Silentcorner wrote: »

Whats your point though...other than the fact you don't like those who don't agree with you!!!

:rolleyes: thats all you deserve

Faugheen

emeraldwinter wrote: »

Easy by the Judge that's why we have them and not drumhead trials. Remember the recent constitutional case in relation to the unborn. In the constitution in black and white.. But needed to be ran passed the legal system.

I still don't understand what you're trying to say to me here.

Start again from the very beginning, because I feel like you've moved more goalposts than Croke Park staff when soccer and rugby were played there.

emeraldwinter

Faugheen wrote: »

I still don't understand what you're trying to say to me here.

Start again from the very beginning, because I feel like you've moved more goalposts than Croke Park staff when soccer and rugby were played there.

Your saying the law is black and white. I have never ever in any country seen it other than grey. well apart from north Korea. Do you not understand why we have judges ?

irishrebe

freshpopcorn wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

I'm asking a question. I'm wondering how long is reasonable to perform the sex act for until the person wakes up?

Your band from the thread. Don't post here again.

Is this a sick joke? I'm banned from the thread, but not the person who has admitted to, and repeatedly justified performing sexual acts on someone who is asleep, an act which is officially classed as rape in Ireland? That's it, I'm done.

Mrsmum

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You say no, and the normal person with stops.

This is more of the all men are trash narrative that is polluting this debate.

You truly need consent classes urgently.

Silentcorner

irishman86 wrote: »

:rolleyes: thats all you deserve

What is all i deserve? I don't understand...

irishman86

RuMan wrote: »

U have issues. I'd suggest resolving them or throwing urself into life in Canada and forgetting about Ireland.

I wouldnt form an opinion on Canada based on some internet forum myself.

Shes going to be in for a shock in Canada
God forbid she goes to Toronto with the rampant PUA scene
Who see women as just a number. Canada is a great country, but the men are well no different
She shows no idea of how the world is, quoting Canada like its a mecca which is beyond hilarious