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Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

Sam Quentin

Strange.. I'm kinda relieved it's all over.

http://www.thejournal.ie/belfast-rape-trial-verdict-3928309-Mar2018/

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MOD NOTE By the way don't post anything from members on the jury that's appearing online.

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bodice ripper

tigger123 wrote:

Think they're on the side of people not being raped. Want a bunch of libtards.

I'll take a bunch of libtards, thanks...

ShowMeTheCash

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In fairness this is the sort of conversation that needs to be had.
I think the 'Ibelieveher' has stupidly muddied the water and it is absent here thankfully.

George hook was suspended for suggesting woman not get themselves into these types of situation..... Hard to have a conversation when the mob are at the ready to crucify you if you express an opinion.

Maybe getting drunk out of your mind is a bad idea? - Victim shaming, your sacked!

tigger123

bodice ripper wrote: »

I'll take a bunch of libtards, thanks...

It was a good discussion.

I reckon the issue of consent has been talked about more in the last week in this country, than in the last 100 years.

NAGDEFI

That was a very reasoned discussion. Richie Sadlier, very mature in his approach. Both ladies too.

[Deleted User]

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

George hook was suspended for suggesting woman not get themselves into these types of situation..... Hard to have a conversation when the mob are at the ready to crucify you if you express an opinion.

Maybe getting drunk out of your mind is a bad idea? - Victim shaming, your sacked!

Hook was the martyr needed to start the debate. Whoever raised the issue in the public spotlight was going to be crucified. Hook took one for common sense.

hynesie08

Noeline Blackwell spoke very well and with conviction, the #menrtrash crew could do a lot worse than follow her example.

FrancieBrady

hynesie08 wrote: »

Noeline Blackwell spoke very well and with conviction, the #menrtrash crew could do a lot worse than follow her example.

Agree, a reasonable debate. Ruined slightly by Ray's obvious discomfort and fear of saying the wrong thing.
Not a mention of buzzwords, like toxic masculinity or the trial which was great.

GreeBo

Silentcorner wrote: »

Excuse me?

I am a man...

I feel the time is right to reform the legal process when it comes to rape cases....

There was an article this morning in a Belfast news outlet...last year there were 825 alleged rapes....15 convictions....now can you not see the problem with that? Are you that blind?????

I'd imagine the number are similar here in the Republic....

I do not and cannot be identified as some kind of feminist....I don't give a fukk what you or anyone thinks of me...

I can't for the life of me understand how any man could feel threatened in any way or insulted in any way at the suggestion that we change the way we process rape cases.....

And that makes me some kind of creep?????

What changes are you looking for?

Other than removing the burden of proof, lack of evidence is the problem.

Sure the process up North could be improved upon, I don't see how that will increase conviction rates.

FrancieBrady

GreeBo wrote: »

What changes are you looking for?

Other than removing the burden of proof, lack of evidence is the problem.

Sure the process up North could be improved upon, I don't see how that will increase concoction rates.

Auto correct making a Freudian slip there?

GreeBo

_Dara_ wrote: »

But again, people were brought to justice there. So what would the be protesting?

These 4 men were brought to justice also, yet we have these lunatic protests.
You do know that justice doesn't mean imprison men without evidence...right?

GreeBo

Silentcorner wrote: »

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But when you are achieving a rate of 15 convictions out of 825 alleged incidents there is something clearly wrong....

What do you propose...we leave everything as is???????

I propose no trials without substantial evidence.

What do you suggest will increase conviction rates? Jail more men?

razorblunt

There seems to be a love for the fact the woman was present in court every day... “her presence made known by the ringinging of the phone, she was listening”.

That’s where the books and tv shows will focus I bet.

South Park had a good episode on “murder porn” shows, that’s what these trials end up being for some.

[Deleted User]

suicide_circus wrote:

What are the demands of the people on these marches? I have literally no idea

There are no demands. They are not protest marches. They are to show the girl from the trial support, hence the tag line "I believe her".

hill16bhoy

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

George hook was suspended for suggesting woman not get themselves into these types of situation..... Hard to have a conversation when the mob are at the ready to crucify you if you express an opinion.

Maybe getting drunk out of your mind is a bad idea? - Victim shaming, your sacked!

George Hook blamed a woman for her own rape.

That appears to be a surprisingly popular point of view here.

But sure there's no such thing as rape culture, or something.

GreeBo

Silentcorner wrote: »

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She most certainly was....

I must have missed that.
What verdict did she get?

[Deleted User]

hill16bhoy wrote:

But sure there's no such thing as rape culture, or something.

There isn't.

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Sleeper12 wrote: »

There are no demands. They are not protest marches. They are to show the girl from the trial support, hence the tag line "I believe her".

That's not what RTE were saying, according to them the people marching were doing so to "seek improvements in how rape victims are treated in the courts system".

It wasn't clear to me if they meant the UK's court system or what.

ShowMeTheCash

Sleeper12 wrote: »

There are no demands. They are not protest marches. They are to show the girl from the trial support, hence the tag line "I believe her".

So they are protesting the verdict.

foxyladyxx

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

So they are protesting the verdict.

In a UK court?

GreeBo

Silentcorner wrote: »

I've already suggested a major one...allow a victim legal representation...

Allowing an independent expert in Sexual Assault to explain how victims can react to assaults...

Banning the parading of womens underwear in court...no reason not to allow the jury request if they feel it is neccessary....?

How will any of that increase conviction rates?

You can't magic up evidence if it doesn't exist.

FrancieBrady

hill16bhoy wrote: »

George Hook blamed a woman for her own rape.

That appears to be a surprisingly popular point of view here.

But sure there's no such thing as rape culture, or something.

Hook tried to discuss the issue and got shouted down by the rabble end of the debate.

*That does not mean I agree with him.

GreeBo

Bob_Marley wrote: »

The first step to finding a solution to a problem is being honest enough to acknowledge there is one.
I'll ask you again, do you think a 0.018 % conviction rate for reported rape is effective law and order ?

Neither you nor anyone here has any idea if is effective or not.
Because.....Lack of evidence.

Wheeliebin30

Sleeper12 wrote: »

There are no demands. They are not protest marches. They are to show the girl from the trial support, hence the tag line "I believe her".

Why the march to the department of justice today so?

ShowMeTheCash

hill16bhoy wrote: »

George Hook blamed a woman for her own rape.

That appears to be a surprisingly popular point of view here.

But sure there's no such thing as rape culture, or something.

Presenting miss information that also appears to be a popular tactic..

George asked this question....
"But is there no blame to the person that puts themselves in danger?"

Sorry George not allowed to ask that, do not pass go do not collect 200 dollars!

Flipper22

Sleeper12 wrote: »

There are no demands. They are not protest marches. They are to show the girl from the trial support, hence the tag line "I believe her".

Others have tried to justify it by couching it in terms of a general protest against the treatment of rape victims or similar to make it seem less moronic

_Whimsical_

Rene Happy Hammock wrote: »

That's not what RTE were saying, according to them the people marching were doing so to "seek improvements in how rape victims are treated in the courts system".

It wasn't clear to me if they meant the UK's court system or what.

The woman from the Rape Crisis centre spoke at the rally and asked for changes in the justice system for rape victims. She wants those victims who make it to court, woman(70%) and men(30%),to have a legal representative with them in court.
It wasn't an overturn the verdict rally.

hill16bhoy

Deleted User wrote: »

There isn't.

Those who have a vested interest in denying the existence of something will usually do so.

hill16bhoy

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

Presenting miss information that also appears to be a popular tactic..

George asked this question....
"But is there no blame to the person that puts themselves in danger?"

Sorry George not allowed to ask that, do not pass go do not collect 200 dollars!

Cool, thanks for demonstrating that Hook did actually blame a women for her own rape.

emeraldwinter

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

The woman from the Rape Crisis centre spoke at the rally and asked for changes in the justice system for rape victims. She wants those victims who make it to court, woman(70%) and men(30%),to have a legal representative with them in court.
It wasn't an overturn the verdict rally.

Can I ask. What legal representation ? did the alleged Victim not have a lawyer/barrister/solicitor ?

Flipper22

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

The woman from the Rape Crisis centre spoke at the rally and asked for changes in the justice system for rape victims. She wants those victims who make it to court, woman(70%) and men(30%),to have a legal representative with them in court.
It wasn't an overturn the verdict rally.

The main reason for the rally was anger at the verdict, all the I believe her stuff

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