hynesie08 wrote: » I didn't, but I don't hold sports people up as a pillar of society like you do. They're paid to play sports, their free time is just that, theirs.
Silentcorner wrote: » It would give us a clearer picture of where we are at in the sense that lets assume, out of every 100 rape cases that make it to court, we are still only convicting 7 people....we now know that lets just say a high percentage of the rest were Not Proven...it would give us a solid indicator as opposed to speculation where the DPP is failing its victims in securing that conviction... It's only a suggestion by the way...very very few people are even attempting to offer suggestions...when we clearly can't leave the system as it is...
The Talking Bread wrote: » He suggested that their alcohol issues (which were from alcoholism, not a night out celebrating an international tour being over off season such as what Jackson and Golding were enjoying ) didn't affect their career. As good as they were and what they achieved, it is pretty clear that Adams, Mersons and especially Gazza's career was affected by their alcoholism
Ace2007 wrote: » What's questionable about the situation? Let's suppose the guys were all sober when the incident happened - what difference would this have made? Again just cause you play for the national team doesn't make any difference and is irrelevant. As the marches/posters have said it's the way ALL men behaviour with texts, not just these lads.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The system needs tweeks rather than major overhaul. Sensationalism will not help in that. The problem with this reaction to high profile cases is that it obscures the very pertinent fact that those public reps jumping on bandwagons have done precious little over the years to change things.
Motivator wrote: » It affected them off the pitch, not on it. All three were exceptional footballers.
Silentcorner wrote: » In a completely different era...doubt its part of the game these days...
Bob_Marley wrote: » Yes the root cause of this mess of a case was the excessive consumption of alcohol by all parties, but the rest of your post smacks of more patronising victim blaming and defending of rape.
Silentcorner wrote: » Excellent...you are engaging...that is a good thing... What tweaks would you make?
Silentcorner wrote: » We have no idea of the percentage of women who do not report rape is! We have no idea how accurate crime stats are in any jurisdiction! We do know we are convicting appox 6-7 percent of REPORTED rape incidents...a shocking statistic surely you agree....for a very barbaric/animalistic crime.... I don't have any preferred system, but I know ours requires change and fast... Can you please demonstrate what you define to be sound logic...
QuietMan2010 wrote: » Over on the now-locked legal discussion thread someone posted about a particularly vitriolic journalist that they 'wouldn't want her on a jury'. Just thinking about this ... part of the process of a trial is that lawyers can reject potential jurors before the final 12 are agreed upon. Is it now likely that in future rape or sexual assault cases the defence team will check whether potential jurors have ever used the #ibelieveher or #metoo hashtags, and reject them on this basis? So that the more widespread the protest on social media, the smaller the pool of potential jurors from a certain viewpoint who may be allowed to sit on a sex case?
hynesie08 wrote: » So, have any of the #sueme/I believe crew thought that in future defense attorneys are going to start using social media as grounds to disqualify jurors? Meaning they've basically ruling themselves out of potentially helping victims? Or is that too rational?
NAGDEFI wrote: » Ray Darcy discussing the case next on rte 1. I don't know who he has on.
hynesie08 wrote: » Looking a bit one sided.
hynesie08 wrote: » Ronnie o Sullivan was off his bracket on Coke and he was the best player in the world, hurricane Higgins was permanently drunk/hungover, Wade boggs once drank anywhere from 50-70 beers on a cross country flight and destroyed the Mariners. George best?
Bob_Marley wrote: » Ray one sided ? Surely not.
Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: » Im just surprised he is letting his guest talk.
FrancieBrady wrote: » In fairness there has been precious little of substance to engage with. I would immediately move to conduct these trials in camera. I would give representation to the complainant if they wanted it. I cannot see a way to inhibit somebody's right to mount a vigourous defence of their innocence though. 'Not proven' is a cop out that doesn't really help anyone especially if my number one tweak is implemented.
ShowMeTheCash wrote: » Sound logic is to suggest something that will have the impact you desire, usually it will be something you have researched and can demonstrate works or have a reasonable argument to why it will work, it is not however something you dream up and put forward half-@ssed which you seem to want to do. You want to pontificate on "change" but have no idea what to change... You suggested two things, on of which they already do here in Ireland and one of which they do in Scotland you say this without actually doing any research. I have shown you the stats it does not change anything, the % are actually slightly worse on the suggestion you "stand by"..... You do not understand the problem but you want change and change fast.... Awesome!
C__MC wrote: » The biased in Irish chats shows/radio shows since the verdict has been appalling and disgraceful.
Nermal wrote: » A letter writer in the IT today seriously suggests that all juries must be 50:50 men and women, have to be chaired by a 'neutral' (LOL) chairperson and should have 'sufficient experience and competency to process and understand' the case (no doubt they have to take and pass a consent class, right?). Hugely, hugely dangerous assaults on freedoms we have had since medieval times, casually broached in the paper of record. Say goodbye to being judged by your peers guys, say hello to a kangaroo court of blue-haired fruitcakes.
hynesie08 wrote: » Not to that extent, but premier league teams still like off season games here because it's a weekend session. Or the celebration after the 6 nations, or just walk up capel St the morning after a Dublin all Ireland win. Tom Brady got absolutely ****faced after the last Superbowl win, and the Philly players this year turned up to the parade still drunk. Players have learned to save it for the off season, which is when paddy Jackson was partying.
tigger123 wrote: » They're discussing the wider issue of rape and consent, not the Belfast trial. Think they're on the side of people not being raped. Want a bunch of libtards.
