irishrebe wrote: » So if it didn't happen to you, it didn't happen. You do realise we're two different people, from two different areas, and that people's lives and realities can be....different? But if it makes you feel clever to dismiss an account of sexual harassment, go ahead and do so. I'll never understand your mentality.
Worried Father wrote: » Victim Blamer! Get him!
Nermal wrote: » She's not on trial, what would her representative do? Hyperbole. She was robustly cross-examined, what else do you want? You want evidence to be kept secret? Your only worthwhile proposal is that the defendants be anonymous, everything else would prevent a fair trial.
Todd Gack wrote: » Why would she need a defence team?, she wasn't on trial.
Fann Linn wrote: » Okay, and what did your parents or teachers do?
Silentcorner wrote: » She did not have a legal team...you are absolutely incorrect...alleged victims have nobody apart from their families with them.... The Ibeleiveher crowd, I am guessing, are exercising their right at protesting what they believe to be an injustice, not just about this case...but about the absolute failure of our society to achieve a conviction rate above 15 out of 825 alleged incidents.....a truly staggering and depressing conviction rate.... I honestly believer her account, but I also honestly believe that the 4 lads should never have been named publically and after due process I wish them well for the future...we should not know the details of this case...it is not in the public interest....more reform needed there also...
wexie wrote: » ....good movie plot in that right there :o
Mrsmum wrote: » Even Stuart Olding doesn't say what you're saying. He at least admits that the girl's perception of what happened was different from his own and he says he regretted the hurt caused to her. He was there and he isn't accusing her of 'regretting it and crying "rape"' Maybe he knows more than you do.
John4Edinburgh wrote: » Here's a proposal. Stop chasing celebs and ending up drunk and starstruck in their bedroom, start taking some personal responsibility and don't end up drunk in the bedroom of a celebrity.
Bob_Marley wrote: » blah blah blah . . How would you feel ?
Silentcorner wrote: » So what do you suggest? We should be happy that we have a conviction rate of 15 out of 825 alleged rape incidents....
Worried Father wrote: » Nothing will change. There will be girls waking up Sunday morning thinking they were 'raped'.
Silentcorner wrote: » [/B] She most certainly was....
John4Edinburgh wrote: » I have a friend who claimed she was "raped". The outcome of this incident was a pregnancy, so therefore she was "raped". I asked her did she remember it, her response was "no, I have no recollection of anything". So this was a rape in her head because she couldn't remember anything of the night before, she couldn't remember giving consent, she couldn't remember having sex, nothing. She could have had a drunken encounter and been all for it, but she can't remember because of the amount of alcohol involved that night. Was she raped? I don't think that she was but she may have been.
Nermal wrote: » Thankfully the justice system is not built around feelings. I don't think it should make us happy or sad. It reflects the difficulty of proving the crime.
fly_agaric wrote: » I think Black Mirror kind of did it already (but took the concept to extremes course!)
The Talking Bread wrote: » irishrebe wrote: » You're actually expecting a complete stranger on the internet to tell you exactly where they lived and when? Are you kidding me? I lived in Clondalkin from age 3 to 11, and then again from 16-17 (I'm not exactly sure of the exact date we moved back - let me ring my ma and I'll get back to you) to 21 and again after that at different times, so yes, I tell people I'm from Clondalkin. Some of my best friends have no idea that I wasn't born there or that I lived in a different area for a time, and yet someone on Boards.ie thinks he's entitled to tell me I'm a liar because I didn't list every address I've ever lived at. Jesus F*cking Christ On A Bike. You have been extremely open about it up until now?? You are not afraid to express about how sh*te Clondalkin is, as if it is a badge of honour that you achieved academically? I am not asking you to tell me anything. It is you who has been harping on about your childhood in a "sh*te" (your words) village in Dublin. If anything, going by the fact that you were continuosly sexually harassed when you moved away from Clondalkin and up until you returned, your time in Clondalkin should spark good memories. And you should be alluding to the other place as "sh*te"
irishrebe wrote: » You're actually expecting a complete stranger on the internet to tell you exactly where they lived and when? Are you kidding me? I lived in Clondalkin from age 3 to 11, and then again from 16-17 (I'm not exactly sure of the exact date we moved back - let me ring my ma and I'll get back to you) to 21 and again after that at different times, so yes, I tell people I'm from Clondalkin. Some of my best friends have no idea that I wasn't born there or that I lived in a different area for a time, and yet someone on Boards.ie thinks he's entitled to tell me I'm a liar because I didn't list every address I've ever lived at. Jesus F*cking Christ On A Bike.
Ulysses Gaze wrote: » The PPSNI legal team represented her and the State against the 4 Accused.
irishrebe wrote: » Again, if you don't believe me, then I'm exaggerating and lying. The age old trick to minimise abuse and harassment. It can't have happened. They must be lying. It's too far fetched. Hundreds of gymnasts can have a doctor's hand up their vagina in front of their parents without anyone suspecting anything but a schoolgirl in a short tight skirt getting beeped at is so ludicrous that it must be false. I minimised it to my dad because I knew he'd go mental and I didn't want him to get hurt. One older man against loads of fit young men. He thought things had improved after he talked to the boss that one time. I didn't want him talking to the boss again and things becoming even worse for me or for him. I just hoped they'd get bored and stop eventually. I was f*cking 12 years old. Sorry if that wasn't the 'right' reaction for you.
Silentcorner wrote: » They did not.... The young lady was like any other rape case was treated as a witness in her own trial....it is perverse...
The Talking Bread wrote: » Eh, Toby Hedworth? He was the prosecution barrister.
Silentcorner wrote: » The prosecution was the CPS.... She did not have any legal representation....how the fukk is that so hard to beleive...
John4Edinburgh wrote: » If you take some personal responsibility, you will not be raped.
John4Edinburgh wrote: » If you take some personal responsibility, you will not be raped. This wasn't a rape, it was very clearly a drunken threesome, so your claim of 825 alleged rapes is most probably inclusive of a load of drunken threesomes. Wakey wakey, I've had drunken threesomes, most of us have done this stuff without having to fear being arrested and questioned the next morning. It may shock you to learn that women are a lot more into this than men are, or at least that has been my personal experience.
Bob_Marley wrote: » Actually she was treated like the accused, and the accused were treated like mere witnesses. Their underwear wasn't passed around the court.
anthonyjmaher wrote: » I see Una Mullally is predictable as ever.Decent Men Are Despondent
optogirl wrote: » Is that a fact? I can't believe that you honestly think this. How absolutely dismissive and horrific a thing to say to rape victims, male and female.
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