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Go-Ahead Dublin City Routes - Updates and Discussion

Stephen15

So since the last thread on this got closed and dosen't appear to be reopening any time soon. Heres a new one for you.

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punisher5112

Stephen15 wrote: »

Why not move some the Donnybrook drivers to other DB depots.

There were ideas of this but it may well not suit many too.

I believe they want to keep numbers there as it is a very big Depot so no point only half using it.

bebeman

KD345 wrote: »

What will most likely happen will be a transfer of routes to Donnybrook from other depots,

I wouldn’t be surprised if the 15a/b, 49 or 150 moved to Donnybrook from Ringsend and there will most likely be additional duties added to the 46a and 145.

What happens if the drivers transfer over with the routes?
There will still be 150 spare drivers in Donnybrook

bebeman

Stephen15 wrote: »

Why not move some the Donnybrook drivers to other DB depots..

I believe it is only drivers hired after 2014 that can be forced to move Depot.
The drivers loosing marking in when the 10% transfer are there much longer, so cant be forced to move

punisher5112

bebeman wrote: »

What happens if the drivers transfer over with the routes?
There will still be 150 spare drivers in Donnybrook

I doubt many will go over...

KD345

bebeman wrote: »

What happens if the drivers transfer over with the routes?
There will still be 150 spare drivers in Donnybrook

Some drivers might change depots, others will choose to stay. This process won’t happen overnight, but over a period of weeks and months.

Dublin Bus drivers have been given assurance of their jobs. The fact that the company will be recruiting later this year tell me it plans to grow.

Most routes are likely to change under Bus Connects anyway, which will coincide with the expiration of the current Dublin Bus PSO contract with the NTA. New routes with new schedules will be introduced in all depots.

AlekSmart

Stevek101 wrote: »

BusConnects implementation is due to start by year end also.

A point which is often,perhaps deliberately,left unaddressed by many contributors.

Whilst the beginning of the BMO process does see Bus Atha Cliath,lose it's position as the ONLY provider of PSO City Services in the Greater Dublin Area,the company is,and will continue to be the Largest provider of such services for the immediate and mid term future.

EVERY element of the various development plans for the City and it's hinterland,is now very definitely focused upon Public Transport being the primarly method of mobility for the hundreds of thousands of new Dubliners who will be in place come 2040.

Rail also plays a large role,however whether heavy or light,the awesome costs of providing the Infrastructure tends to refocus attention on to the Bus Based services yet again.

There are some,even today,who would argue that the Electrification of the Howth-Bray line was a mistake,as it soaked up vast amounts of scarce funding,to the detriment of establishing new Rail Connections,to the vast surroundings of the City who were without ANY Iron Horse !

As I continue to suggest in this thread,Bus Atha Cliath is still involved in the Transition Phase of the BMO,a phase which will continue over the next 12 months.

At the end of this,the company will be operating alongside,and co-existing with GAD,and perhaps others in due course...build that bridge and drive over it,because sitting on a Deckchair on Sandymount Strand,instructing the tide to retreat is not an option.

There are now so many external forces in play,whether they are Social,Environmental,Fiscal or just plain desireable,which were never part of the Public Transport debate in Ireland.

Whether it will be the active reduction in the Public's ability to drive an internal combustion engined vehicle into the City Centre,or the introduction of peak hour charges for such access,these changes are NOW in progress.

I remain VERY confident that Bus Atha Cliath will be the major,but not the Dominant,provider of Bus Services for decades to come......even if it does see Northsiders driving buses around the Southside,and vice versa ....:eek:

KD345

AlekSmart wrote: »

As I continue to suggest in this thread,Bus Atha Cliath is still involved in the Transition Phase of the BMO,a phase which will continue over the next 12 months.

At the end of this,the company will be operating alongside,and co-existing with GAD,and perhaps others in due course...build that bridge and drive over it,because sitting on a Deckchair on Sandymount Strand,instructing the tide to retreat is not an option.

There are now so many external forces in play,whether they are Social,Environmental,Fiscal or just plain desireable,which were never part of the Public Transport debate in Ireland.

Whether it will be the active reduction in the Public's ability to drive an internal combustion engined vehicle into the City Centre,or the introduction of peak hour charges for such access,these changes are NOW in progress.

I remain VERY confident that Bus Atha Cliath will be the major,but not the Dominant,provider of Bus Services for decades to come......even if it does see Northsiders driving buses around the Southside,and vice versa ....:eek:

Well said Alek, the city is growing and the bus will be playing a crucial part in its development. In 2010 the Dublin Bus fleet was being cut and redundancies were on the table for many, now we’re looking at a company entering into a new phase of operations and growing. The fleet is increasing and more drivers are being recruited.
Drivers and routes have changed garages many times over the years and this will continue to happen. Dublin Bus is in good shape, is well respected in the industry and knows it’s market well.

dfx-

dublinman1990 wrote: »

It appears that the new livery for GAD has now been sorted now.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/81709772@N07/26218651127/in/faves-46885160@N06/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/81709772@N07/40359570514/in/faves-46885160@N06/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/81709772@N07/27195742158/

It looks really nice as it's finished tbf.

It's not a patch on the current DB livery or all but one past DB liveries, even the dodgy cream and orange one. At best you could say it's better than the tan and it's not hideously white like Belfast.

markpb

Cyclists The New Nazis wrote: »

as far as i'm concerned other operators as the enemy, and nbru have told us to discourage our passengers to use Go-ahead routes and advise them to use taxis rather than a rival brit scum operator.

I'm quoting your post in case you (or someone else) see sense and removes it. When it comes to public transport in Dublin, you are the problem. If you are telling the truth about the NBRU, they are just as big a problem.

Dyr

AlekSmart wrote: »

Public Transport being the primarly method of mobility for the hundreds of thousands of new Dubliners who will be in place come 2040.

We already know what the birth rate is right now so we won't really have hundreds of thousands of new Dubliners by 2040

Unless you mean the idea that shoveling hundreds of thousands of non Dubliners into the city by 2040 is in someway good idea...

Peregrine

dublinman1990 wrote: »

It appears that the new livery for GAD has now been sorted now.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/81709772@N07/26218651127/in/faves-46885160@N06/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/81709772@N07/40359570514/in/faves-46885160@N06/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/81709772@N07/27195742158/

It looks really nice as it's finished tbf.

It looks well. Better than the current DB scheme.

thomasj

bebeman wrote:

What happens if the drivers transfer over with the routes? There will still be 150 spare drivers in Donnybrook

Thought there was plans for the 25s and 39s to move to Donnybrook ?

bebeman

thomasj wrote: »

Thought there was plans for the 25s and 39s to move to Donnybrook ?

They have to get the new 145 bill over the line before anything else can happen, 22 april is planed change

bebeman

KD345 wrote: »

The fact that the company will be recruiting later this year tell me it plans to grow.

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Redundancy package for senior drivers, get new blood in on lesser contacts, who knows what the plan is

Yer Da sells Avon

dfx- wrote: »

It's not a patch on the current DB livery or all but one past DB liveries, even the dodgy cream and orange one. At best you could say it's better than the tan and it's not hideously white like Belfast.

I really like it. A good solid shade of blue and it's good that they haven't painted over the Wrightbus logo. The current DB livery is getting old, and I've never liked the way they apply it to the front of newer buses, ignorantly plastering it on regardless of the design of the bus. I hope DB will be forced to adopt it.

brokenarms

Looks cheaper to paint than the current DB livery. All those stripes and colours must take a lot of effort to get right.

Yer Da sells Avon

brokenarms wrote: »

Looks cheaper to paint than the current DB livery. All those stripes and colours must take a lot of effort to get right.

A lot of effort and a hell of a lot of masking tape.

KD345

bebeman wrote: »

Redundancy package for senior drivers, get new blood in on lesser contacts, who knows what the plan is

Indeed, nobody is quite sure of the exact plan. But by the end of the year we should see the start of the Bus Connects roll out. Regardless of what that involves, Dublin Bus is growing and has a strong place in the future of Dublin’s transport needs. Jobs are safe, the fleet is increasing and a recruitment drives seems to be on the way.

Stephen15

bebeman wrote: »

What happens if the drivers transfer over with the routes?
There will still be 150 spare drivers in Donnybrook

Well the unions agreed to allow GA in, I doubt they would have if 150 marked in drivers were to become spare. I'm sure they'd be marked in on other D/brook routes or routes in other depot. Out of all DB drivers what percentage are marked in.

bebeman

markpb wrote: »

I'm quoting your post in case you (or someone else) see sense and removes it. When it comes to public transport in Dublin, you are the problem. If you are telling the truth about the NBRU, they are just as big a problem.

It is a pure troll account.
Disregard any posts

bebeman

KD345 wrote: »

Jobs are safe, the fleet is increasing and a recruitment drives seems to be on the way.

How many buses are transferring to Go ahead?
How many are to be replaced by the NTA?

bebeman

Stephen15 wrote: »

Well the unions agreed to allow GA in, I doubt they would have if 150 marked in drivers were to become spare. I'm sure they'd be marked in on other D/brook routes or routes in other depot. Out of all DB drivers what percentage are marked in.

Just how powerful do you think the Unions are?
They allowed nothing, the Government/NTA have all the power.
Donnybrook will have 150 spare driver come the end of October, this is a FACT!
Does anyone here think the NTA are going to expand the current routes by 150 drivers?
Off the top of my head the current driver number for 46a and 145 is no more than 100!
So the NTA will create 3 routes out of thin air to equal the current 46a/145 service level!

KD345

bebeman wrote: »

How many buses are transferring to Go ahead?
How many are to be replaced by the NTA?

A total of 60 buses will be taken from the Dublin Bus fleet and transferred to Go Ahead (12 GTs and 48 SGs). These 60 buses will be replaced by 60 new SGs.
Dublin bus will also remove 40 AVs from service this year which will be replaced by 40 new SGs. Go Ahead will also receive a batch of new Streetlites.

In short, Dublin bus will receive 100 new buses this year to replace vehicles being withdrawn and transferred to Go Ahead. These 60 buses will enhance existing routes.

KD345

bebeman wrote: »

Donnybrook will have 150 spare driver come the end of October, this is a FACT!

Donnybrook will be operating roughly the same amount of vehicles as it is at present but just on more frequent existing routes and possibly on routes transferred from other depots.

bebeman wrote: »

Does anyone here think the NTA are going to expand the current routes by 150 drivers?

Yes, this has already started. Over the last 6 months there have been increases to routes like the 15, 25a/b/d, 27, 26, 38, 46a, 66, 67, 70, 140, and 145, and new routes like the 39x and 68x. There are serious capacity problems on the Lucan road, Stillorgan Road and Malahide Road. These areas will most likely be the ones to see increases in routes like the 25d, 46a and 15/27.

There is also a new route planned to meet the Broombridge Luas and connect Finglas. Development along the Docklands will also require extra services in the area in the coming months.

bebeman wrote: »

So the NTA will create 3 routes out of thin air to equal the current 46a/145 service level!

No that won't happen. I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. There will be increases to routes across the network, and as I mentioned earlier, we'll possibly see some routes transfer into Donnybrook. For example, I can see the 14 becoming a fully operated Donnybrook route which would free up space in Summerhill to increase the 16, 41 and 123 if required.

bebeman

KD345 wrote: »

A total of 60 buses will be taken from the Dublin Bus fleet and transferred to Go Ahead . These 60 buses will be replaced by 60 new SGs.
Dublin bus will also remove 40 AVs from service this year which will be replaced by 40 new SGs.
In short, Dublin bus will receive 100 new buses this year to replace vehicles being withdrawn and transferred to Go Ahead. These 60 buses will enhance existing routes.

See the problem?
Same amount of Buses but with less routes.
150 drivers spare
46a and 145 have currently 150 drivers(a guess)
Does anyone here believe Donnybrook will have another 3 routes from scratch that will be the equal to 46a/145?
But, But,But,But routes will transfer over from other depots, What about these routes current drivers?
Rob Peter to pay Paul, no spare driver in Donnybrook, they are on the Donnybrook 39s or 27s, but what about the drivers now spare in the depots the routes where moved from?

bebeman

KD345 wrote: »

Over the last 6 months there have been increases to routes like the 145, .

as a donnybrook driver i can tell you ZERO increase.
What are you on about?

bebeman

KD345 wrote: »

. For example, I can see the 14 becoming a fully operated Donnybrook route which would free up space in Summerhill to increase the 16, 41 and 123 if required.

Cant say for certain, but think only ten 14 operate from summerhill, so we still have 140 spare drivers in donnybrook

KD345

bebeman wrote: »

See the problem?
Same amount of Buses but with less routes.
150 drivers spare
46a and 145 have currently 150 drivers(a guess)
Does anyone here believe Donnybrook will have another 3 routes from scratch that will be the equal to 46a/145?
But, But,But,But routes will transfer over from other depots, What about these routes current drivers?
Rob Peter to pay Paul, no spare driver in Donnybrook, they are on the Donnybrook 39s or 27s, but what about the drivers now spare in the depots the routes where moved from?

You’re missing the bigger picture, there will be new bills drawn up to reflect the increase in service on routes at most depots. For example, there could be 10 buses added to the 46a, 5 buses added to the 7 etc. and drivers who previously operated the 17, 18 etc. will operate these additional duties instead. There will also be new routes, 24 hour routes and drivers retiring who need replacing etc.

Keep in mind, when Bus Connects rolls out in the next year, the route network will change completely. I wouldn’t be getting hung up on routes numbers and depots too much.

devnull

bebeman wrote: »

How many buses are transferring to Go ahead?
How many are to be replaced by the NTA?

All of the buses that are going to Go-Ahead are being replaced.

bebeman wrote: »

Donnybrook will have 150 spare driver come the end of October, this is a FACT! Does anyone here think the NTA are going to expand the current routes by 150 drivers?!

It has been stated numerous times on here and also by the NTA that as routes transfer to Go-Ahead, the staff and vehicles freed up will be redeployed on existing routes. I don't just think that the NTA are going to expand the current routes by redeploying resources, I know it because it has been officially confirmed on a number of occasions since August 2017 and the relevant documents stating this can be found on the NTA website.

The agreement reached following LRC discussions in May 2015 set out that over a 2 to 3 year period there will be sufficient growth to absorb the drivers released from losing the BMO tendered services if Dublin Bus were unsuccessful.

Some new or amended routes are in planning as are opportunities for additional services on existing routes. NTA anticipates the cost of providing these additional routes and services will be largely similar to the current level of activity over a short timeline, certainly within the 2 to 3 years envisaged in the LRC recommendation

We have already been working with Dublin Bus to come up with a plan on increasing the number of services and the frequency of existing services that they run so that in two years’ time, they will be operating a similar level of service as they are now and will be staffed accordingly.

bebeman wrote: »

as a donnybrook driver i can tell you ZERO increase.
What are you on about?

Well many services have had new timetables and peak vehicles requirement increases, the 46A had a new timetable in January and several other Donnybrook routes have had increases as well.

Note that not only were extra timetabled services added, but also running times have been extended on other routes, which meant more buses were needed to deliver the existing timetable and a new timetable for the 145 is currently said to be in the works but subject to being agreed on.

brokenarms

Some of these time table and bill changes only increased the length of the working day for many of the duties. Getting rid of work outs . Leaving less lay time at the end of each run. They did not increase the amount of drivers needed.