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So does hell exist or what

frag420

So it seems hell does not exist after all, our evil souls just vanish?

So whats happening, is Christianity just making it up as its goes along?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/pope-francis-abolishes-hell-saying-souls-of-unrepentant-sinners-will-simply-disappear-pwlv6l667?CMP=Sprkr-_-Editorial-_-thetimes-_-Unspecified-_-TWITTER

It is been accepted Christian doctrine since the founding of the church, but Pope Francis appears this morning to have abolished Hell.

In a move that will enrage conservative Catholics, the Pontiff told La Repubblica that the souls of unrepentant sinners were not punished in the afterlife, but simply disappeared.

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Stonedpilot

Pope Francis is a false prophet Christ warned us about 2000 years ago!. A disgusting vile human being the Pope is. He needs to repent more than anyone. Can't fathom why anyone follow this Charlatan and Liar. Hell is very real from the Bible. Just 3 quotes.

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:50Francis is a massive false prophet, he needs to repent more than anyone. A disgusting human being. Can't fathom why anyone would follow this false prophet, Christ warned us 2000 years ago about liars and Pied Pipers like him!. Hell is very real.

If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. Mark 9:43

The list goes on and on but you get the message.

But seriously anyone following the Pope and his false Church is massively deceived.

Jesus Christ Lord, Messiah and Savior saves us from Religion.

Hallelujah!.

pauldla

Well there's a can of worms reopened. Wasn't this being discussed with some vigour by two of our regular contributors recently?

Of course, Francis hasn't abolished Hell. He wasn't speaking ex cathedra, for one thing (one could take the alternative view that one cannot abolish that which didn't exist in the first place).

Peatys

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Hell is very real from the Bible. Just 3 quotes.

Hallelujah!.

Yeah, that's what makes it real

kelly1

Pope Francis has been coming out with some very suspect (heretical) statements. I don't trust him. I'll bet he's either a Freemason or heavily influenced by them. Our Lady has warned us about this sort of thing several times in her apparitions.

Having said that I remain a faithful Catholic.

[EDIT]
https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/vatican-claim-pope-denied-hells-existence-unreliable

branie2

This coming from a man who canonised two children who had a vision of Hell.

Stonedpilot

kelly1 wrote: »

Pope Francis has been coming out with some very suspect (heretical) statements. I don't trust him. I'll bet he's either a Freemason or heavily influenced by them. Our Lady has warned us about this sort of thing several times in her apparitions.

Having said that I remain a faithful Catholic.

[EDIT]
https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/vatican-claim-pope-denied-hells-existence-unreliable

Its the Jesuits that run the show of the Catholic Church not the Freemasons.

Put your faith in Christ its the only way to God!.

kelly1

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Its the Jesuits that run the show of the Catholic Church not the Freemasons.

Put your faith in Christ its the only way to God!.

I've heard that theory but I haven't researched it. But I've come across a lot a material giving evidence that the Church has been infiltrated by Freemasons.

Achasanai

Stonedpilot wrote: »

But seriously anyone following the Pope and his false Church is massively deceived.

Jesus Christ Lord, Messiah and Savior saves us from Religion.

Hallelujah!.

I'm guessing Francis thought the theory behind hell - and who controls it, and so who exactly is committing souls to an eternity of torture - is a little bit psychopathic and untenable for a Christian God.

TheValeyard

Think he's simply asking people to think outside the box, not a simplistic view of heaven and hell

kelly1

Achasanai wrote: »

I'm guessing Francis thought the theory behind hell - and who controls it, and so who exactly is committing souls to an eternity of torture - is a little bit psychopathic and untenable for a Christian God.

Hell is not a theory. Jesus mentioned it several times, more than heaven in fact.

Stonedpilot

Achasanai wrote: »

I'm guessing Francis thought the theory behind hell - and who controls it, and so who exactly is committing souls to an eternity of torture - is a little bit psychopathic and untenable for a Christian God.

Hell was created for Satan and its Satan that captures souls there and does as he pleases with them. NOT GOD!.

God gives us a lifetime to repent. Takes oh 3 minutes maybe?. But most rather go on selfishly ignoring the creator and sinning hence the messed up World we have. Look at most people are they spiritually happy?. Rich celebs etc?. Nope its meaningless junk without meeting Christ.

God loves humanity hence Jesus coming to Earth to atone for mans sin/wickedness.

Man could never reach Gods holiness so holiness came to man.

The Pope is head of a false church. A liar and deceiver he is.

Bible explains the rise of false Churches.

Achasanai

kelly1 wrote: »

Hell is not a theory. Jesus mentioned it several times, more than heaven in fact.

The theory behind hell. You can have a theory behind a real thing.

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Hell was created for Satan and its Satan that captures souls there and does as he pleases with them. NOT GOD!.

So, God created hell as a place of punishment and torture for people's eternal souls?

What's confusing (to me) is that God prepares hell for those who reject God/Jesus. Does that not include Satan? And yet here you have it, that Satan is the one capturing the souls and that he 'does as he pleases with them'.

Stonedpilot

Achasanai wrote: »

The theory behind hell. You can have a theory behind a real thing.

So, God created hell as a place of punishment and torture for people's eternal souls?

What's confusing (to me) is that God prepares hell for those who reject God/Jesus. Does that not include Satan? And yet here you have it, that Satan is the one capturing the souls and that he 'does as he pleases with them'.

Hell is for Satan not humanity. Its Satan turns it into a place of torture as he despises God and his creation. Up to you where you CHOOSE to go.

Its in there in the Bible amigo!.

Seth Brundle

kelly1 wrote: »

Hell is not a theory. Jesus mentioned it several times, more than heaven in fact.

erm, in what?

looksee

As has been pointed out previously, why would Satan torture people who are apparently going along with him, certainly going against God by not accepting him. The basic logic is so flawed its hard to take it seriously. If you were going to take any of it seriously anyway.

Achasanai

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Hell is for Satan not humanity.

But a significant majority of humanity are being tortured there, right?

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Its Satan turns it into a place of torture as he despises God and his creation. Up to you where you CHOOSE to go.

But what sort of place was hell supposed to be before Satan turned it into a place of torture? What intention did God have for hell before Satan was thrown in there?

looksee

kbannon wrote: »

erm, in what?

That's fair enough. If you accept biblical references to Jesus, it can easily be a fact that he mentioned hell more than heaven. In the same way that it is a fact that Harry Potter referred to Snape and Dumbledore.

Reati

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Pope Francis is a false prophet Christ warned us about 2000 years ago!. A disgusting vile human being the Pope is. He needs to repent more than anyone. Can't fathom why anyone follow this Charlatan and Liar.

Spoken like a true Christian...

Caliden

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Pope Francis is a false prophet Christ warned us about 2000 years ago!. A disgusting vile human being the Pope is. He needs to repent more than anyone. Can't fathom why anyone follow this Charlatan and Liar. Hell is very real from the Bible. Just 3 quotes.

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:50Francis is a massive false prophet, he needs to repent more than anyone. A disgusting human being. Can't fathom why anyone would follow this false prophet, Christ warned us 2000 years ago about liars and Pied Pipers like him!. Hell is very real.

If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. Mark 9:43

The list goes on and on but you get the message.

But seriously anyone following the Pope and his false Church is massively deceived.

Jesus Christ Lord, Messiah and Savior saves us from Religion.

Hallelujah!.

When you use the word 'us' here, what 'us' are you referring to?

Catholics or mankind?

hobie21

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell beneath us
Above us only sky.

Hopefully the religious zealots wake up soon

uck51js9zml2yt

kbannon wrote: »

erm, in what?

Choice A - the atheist handbook
Choice B - the Bible

Clue... It's not A;)

Larbre34

My Mother-in-law's gaff is a fair approximation of the bibical hint.

uck51js9zml2yt

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Pope Francis is a false prophet Christ warned us about 2000 years ago!. A disgusting vile human being the Pope is. He needs to repent more than anyone. Can't fathom why anyone follow this Charlatan and Liar. Hell is very real from the Bible.

I love how balanced this post is

Disclaimer: the above post does not reflect the opinions of all contributors to this forum!

Bubbaclaus

branie2 wrote: »

This coming from a man who canonised two children who had a vision of Hell.

This is a very good point. So the Pope doesn't believe the events of Fatima actually happened based on this recent statement. So why did he canonise them?

Delirium

hobie21 wrote: »

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell beneath us
Above us only sky.

Hopefully the religious zealots wake up soon

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super_furry

I know it might sound reductive but didn't the catholic church already do away with limbo? If they can do that, then surely they can decide hell doesn't exist as a place either.

Seth Brundle

Faith Mushy Smallpox wrote: »

Choice A - the atheist handbook
Choice B - the Bible

Clue... It's not A;)

So the fact is from B (the bible)?
Really? Actual facts?
So Christianity is no longer based on faith?

kelly1

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Jesus Christ Lord, Messiah and Savior saves us from Religion.

I find it rather bizarre to say that Christianity is not a religion. What is it then? Nothing more than a one-to-one relationship with Jesus? No need for a Church?

And your Pope Francis comments are just off the insanity scale. Reminds me of the "Rev" Ian Paisley.

[EDIT] Sounds like a journalist is stirring the sh*t:
https://aleteia.org/2018/03/30/3-times-pope-francis-warned-about-hell/?utm_campaign=english_page&utm_medium=aleteia_en&utm_source=Facebook

looksee

super_furry wrote: »

I know it might sound reductive but didn't the catholic church already do away with limbo? If they can do that, then surely they can decide hell doesn't exist as a place either.

As I recall the RCC created limbo, so I suppose it is entitled to do away with it too. Though they never said what they had done with the residents, I think. Hell was around for rather longer.

Bob_Marley

super_furry wrote: »

I know it might sound reductive but didn't the catholic church already do away with limbo? If they can do that, then surely they can decide hell doesn't exist as a place either.

Limbo was never a place, nor was it ever a Catholic doctrine. It was a speculative theology term used by speculative theologians to mean "we don't know".

The media are the least truthful and least reliable source of actual Catholic doctrine / news.