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Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

Sam Quentin

Strange.. I'm kinda relieved it's all over.

http://www.thejournal.ie/belfast-rape-trial-verdict-3928309-Mar2018/

Mod Note Keep this relevant to this thread and don't bring up others. ie the eighth amendment thread.

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jr86

Augeo wrote: »

I think it was felt that one of the 4 would be in tatters when questioned and trip themselves up with what was thought to be lies. McIlroy came close with his bull**** speel that agreed woth no one else .......well it agreed word for word practically with Oldings account except McIlroy seemed to put himself in Olding's place.

The prosecution said that. their goose was well cooked by then though

In fairness why would McIlroy try and implicate himself in a more serious charge

jr86

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I was working on your 9 months timeline. That'd take us in to 2019. (Edit, don't know where I got 9 months, you posted a few months)

No worries, yeah I was saying Harrison will more or less completely forgotten in a few months

It'll obviously always be associated with PJ and SO as they're in the public eye

professore

Augeo wrote: »

I think Jackson was definitely having pentetrative sex with her. The witness claimed so, so did the girl in question ...... Olding who was receiving oral from the same girl claimed he couldn't see what Jackson was doing. I reckon "couldn't see" was a sort of play on words as he probably wasn't looking but was quite likely 100% sure there was penetrative sex going on.

Jackson perhaps stuck to the didn't ride her line as if there's no sex there can't be rape, IMO

That's certainly possible. He must have stuck his fingers in there though as there's no way you could cut the inside of a vagina with a penis.

GiftofGab

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I don't understand this comment-she wasn't going to 'join in' cos her friend was there? Uh, no, maybe she simply did not want to have sex with a total stranger-which they apparently were, to her. People have choices, clear scenarios they don't want to be in. (Again, this isn't a comment on the girl at the center of the case).

Pressurised, or interested? Women do have a choice, contrary to what some folks would believe.
I mean, you implied the one who said 'no' was pressurised into saying no-but I'd argue she simply wasn't interested.
The other scenario is that the girl in this case could have been interested in having sexual intercourse with two guys.

Again, none of us knows the actual events, barring those in the room and in the courtroom. Either way, there were no winners in this case.

I think I read that twitter. She outlined the case. It was shared on reddit.

Do you have the link to the reddit??

jr86

cloudatlas wrote: »

So you're saying he lied, the rabble on this thread won't like that, Blane McElroy's ability to be in three places at once hasn't been touched on either.

There were inconsistencies in everyone's testimony as the judge outlined in her closing statements - which is completely normal and to be expected when alcohol is involved

McIlroy had no obligation to take the stand

He's clearly a bit of a tool judging by his messages but his charge was completely minor in the overall scheme of things so again I have sympathy for him in that he's being associated with a rape charge.

he wouldn't have done any sort of stretch if guilty, just put on the sex offender's list

[Deleted User]

jr86 wrote: »

...............
In fairness why would McIlroy try and implicate himself in a more serious charge

I think the theory the 4 lads cooked up a story was quite likely and McIlroy for whatever reason perhaps got mixed up when under pressure on the stand.

No one else saw or claimed that the lady gave McIlroy oral sex...... from the tests etc he seemed the saddest cnut of the 4, a hanger on. Failed at the game but still likes being in the gang.

He wasn't charged with oral rape so claiming he got a bj doesn't really implicate him at all does it?

C__MC

Brae100 wrote: »

I haven't read all of the thread, so apologies if this has been already covered, but has there been any further info or discussion about the WhatsApp group called The Juicers, that McIlroy posted the photo to? Juicer is a well known euphemism for a steroid user. In a trial involving professional sports people, I was sure this would be worthy of investigation.

Hold your horses
Jackson and Olding not in that group relates to mc ilroys USA friends

Sidebaro

professore wrote:

Here we go ... being nice and decent is now a syndrome. Welcome to 2018 folks.

I think Nice Guy Syndrome is an ironic name, as in a guy thinks he's nice but he's actually deluded, self involved and nasty. There are lots of guys like that.

cloudatlas

I hope they don't get their careers back wouldn't want to cheer on lads who have demonstrated (yes I don't know the minds of the rest of the team) that level of disrespect to another human being.

yourdeadwright

Augeo wrote: »

jr86 wrote: »

...............
In fairness why would McIlroy try and implicate himself in a more serious charge

I think the theory the 4 lads cooked up a story was quite likely and McIlroy for whatever reason perhaps got mixed up when under pressure on the stand.

No one else saw or claimed that the lady gave McIlroy oral sex...... from the tests etc he seemed the saddest cnut of the 4, a hanger on. Failed at the game but still likes being in the gang.

He wasn't charged with oral rape so claiming he got a bj doesn't really implicate him at all does it?

Sad for having mates ? What's he suppose to do stop being mates with thme because there better at rugby than him ,

jr86

Augeo wrote: »

I think the theory the 4 lads cooked up a story was quite likely and McIlroy for whatever reason perhaps got mixed up when under pressure on the stand.

yeah, in a tiny cafe in Belfast were PJ was a well-known face :rolleyes:

[Deleted User]

cloudatlas wrote: »

So you're saying he lied, the rabble on this thread won't like that, Blane McElroy's ability to be in three places at once hasn't been touched on either.

Well considering they were bragging amongst themselves about a spit roast for Jackson to claim he didn't actually pentetrate her while a witness claims she was sure she saw actual sex, a threesome and for Oldiing to testify that he didn't see what Jackson was doing I am convinced that someone was lying. That someone being Jackson and to a lesser extent Olding.

jr86

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Sad for having mates ? What's he suppose to do stop being mates with thme because there better at rugby than him ,

Indeed he's been best mates with PJ since early in school

jr86

Augeo wrote: »

I think the theory the 4 lads cooked up a story was quite likely and McIlroy for whatever reason perhaps got mixed up when under pressure on the stand.

No one else saw or claimed that the lady gave McIlroy oral sex...... from the tests etc he seemed the saddest cnut of the 4, a hanger on. Failed at the game but still likes being in the gang.

He wasn't charged with oral rape so claiming he got a bj doesn't really implicate him at all does it?

Playing for the best AIL team in Ulster?

[Deleted User]

cloudatlas wrote:

I hope they don't get their careers back wouldn't want to cheer on lads who have demonstrated (yes I don't know the minds of the rest of the team) that level of disrespect to another human being.

You must watch **** all sports or films and not listen to much music if people's personal lives impact on your enjoyment of their work

[Deleted User]

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Sad for having mates ? What's he suppose to do stop being mates with thme because there better at rugby than him ,

No, sad for coming out with an implausible speel in a rape trial ......... but he seems a sad fncker anyway from all accounts.

C__MC

jr86 wrote: »

yeah, in a tiny cafe in Belfast were PJ was a well-known face :rolleyes:

And if he would raped a girl in his brothers house, the whole thing was a complete farce.

nullzero

cloudatlas wrote: »

Rubbish besides the Jordan Peterson hero says women should behave like men and fight as individuals to get what they want, but if there is civic disobedience or any kind of effort to reach for something it's met with wide eyed wingeing the women want dominance.

Reminds me of the homophobia during the gay marriage referendum, you can't say that we are victims of you calling us homophobes.

Not sure what your point is here.

I'm not pushing a misogynistic or homophobic agenda.
Civic disobedience and peaceful protest are not the same thing, we haven't seen riots over this and I think your world view is somewhat limited and uninformed.
Being part of a perceived minority doesn't grant one the right to abandon logic.

irishrebe

professore wrote: »

irishrebe wrote: »

This reeks of 'Nice Guy Syndrome'.

Here we go ... being nice and decent is now a syndrome. Welcome to 2018 folks.

Any young men out there, if you are with a woman who says "patriarchy" "misogyny" "rape culture" or "nice guy syndrome" on a regular basis, run away as fast as you can. She just hates men and wants to put them into categories of either misogynists or nice guys.

Not sure how this thread is devolving to this. I'm out.

Being a 'Nice guy' has absolutely nothing to do with actually being a nice guy. That's the ENTIRE POINT. The kind of guy who rants about how women are stupid headwrecking b1tches who go for bad boys instead of nice guys like him, usually is not a nice guy at all. Your contempt for women is apparent.

[Deleted User]

jr86 wrote: »

Playing for the best AIL team in Ulster?

Failed to secure a full senior contract in 2013

There are degrees of success and failure.

jr86

Augeo wrote: »

No, sad for coming out with an implausible speel in a rape trial ......... but he seems a sad fncker anyway from all accounts.

So implausible his legal team allowed him take the stand and testify it? :rolleyes:

[Deleted User]

jr86 wrote: »

yeah, in a tiny cafe in Belfast were PJ was a well-known face :rolleyes:

Well the place wasn't bugged was it?

irishrebe

Sidebaro wrote: »

professore wrote:

Here we go ... being nice and decent is now a syndrome. Welcome to 2018 folks.

I think Nice Guy Syndrome is an ironic name, as in a guy thinks he's nice but he's actually deluded, self involved and nasty. There are lots of guys like that.

And they can be even worse than the obvious gobsh1tes.

ford2600

jr86 wrote: »

Maybe Harrison the only one touch and go for PCJ

The judge, insofar as I can remember, instructed jury they could only find him guilty if there was guilty verdicts on the other Accused.

So once all the other counts were not guilty he couldn't have been found guilty

tritium

prawnsambo wrote: »

We're probably into the realms of amateur psychology here (I doubt either of us could claim to being qualified), but isn't it likely that someone of low self-esteem would deem themselves unworthy of someone 'who would treat them properly'?

And then you contradict yourself?

You haven't said a positive thing about women in this entire post. Are you sure misgoynist is an overused word? :rolleyes:

Well if we’ve reached the point where misogynist is redefined to apply to that post (and sadly it seems we have and worse) then yes it is overused.

yourdeadwright

I bet you if you asked 70% off the people in the March exactly what happened they wouldn't even know the full story from the papers let alone, what actually happened ( none of us know that) ,
How can someone in there right mind believe someone they have never meet or ever seen or ever spoke to without seeing evidence, Its crazy its totally against what a sane person would do,
I'm talking both ways here how could you believe either story without evidence,
For example if any of these people at the march had a brother,son or father accus4ed of a rape they 100% say they did not commit would they automatically believe the accuser or say hold on lets see what the evidence says ? We all know the answer

Sidebaro

C__MC wrote:

And if he would raped a girl in his brothers house, the whole thing was a complete farce.

Maybe I'm not understanding you but are you suggesting he wouldn't disrespect his brother by raping someone in his house?

[Deleted User]

jr86 wrote: »

So implausible his legal team allowed him take the stand and testify it? :rolleyes:

If his account was true how come no one else confirmed it? Jackson didn't testify he had a threesome with McIlroy, Jackson claimed Olding was the 3rd person in his threesome or spitroast as he called it iirc.

tretorn

The men were trying to protect each other and none of them believed anything non consensual took place. They saw the woman as someone trying to destroy their friends.
Im not sure about McIlroy, why did the woman text her friend so say three men had raped her. I think she told the staff in the Rowan sexual assault unit that three men had raped her too. By the time she got to the Police she was giving a different account entirely, she had “temembered” the oral rape by this stage so this was then part of the account.
No one who followed the evidence in this case would have believed anyone would be convicted of rape.
The CPS have a lot to answer for, the amount of money and time spent on a case that had no hope of conviction while other cases are in a queue waiting to be heard. Not to mention the waste of taxpayers money.

Guy:Incognito

cloudatlas wrote: »

I hope they don't get their careers back wouldn't want to cheer on lads who have demonstrated (yes I don't know the minds of the rest of the team) that level of disrespect to another human being.

You do it every time you support what ever teams you support.

But I suppose ignorance is bliss.

They should absolutely be able to resume their careers.