mayolady14 wrote: » I have no interest in reliving the matter any more, as I have moved on with my life. The point is that women are constantly being told to report their rapes, but when they do they aren’t believed. I have been repeatedly told that it would be my fault if my rapist rapes another woman. This is obviously exceptionally unfair
mayolady14 wrote: » And rapists think they can rape and get away with it. Because they do. 98% of accused rapists.
irishrebe wrote: » Who said it did?
mayolady14 wrote: » And men think they can rape and get away with it. Because they do. 98% of them.
Mokuba wrote: » I really wish they would sue some of the people on twitter still calling them rapists. People think they can say whatever they like and get away with it.
seamus wrote: » irishrebe wrote: » Well, I do have a legal background. Someone being acquitted of a rape does not mean a rape didn't happen. You cannot put it in those terms, legally. Ah, that's not what we're talking about though. As I say above, if you assert that she was raped, then the only logical outcome is that you believe someone else was in that room who did not appear in court. It is logically incongruous to say that she was raped, but none of the people who raped her are rapists.
irishrebe wrote: » Well, I do have a legal background. Someone being acquitted of a rape does not mean a rape didn't happen. You cannot put it in those terms, legally.
Assetbacked wrote: » If you were told to jump off a cliff because you were raped, would you? In Ireland, rape victims have anonymity; trials progress with publication of information which could identify the victim (or accused) being prohibited. You have decided that your rape incident did not warrant reporting but you have no experience of what it is like to go through a rape trial as the victim.
Mokuba wrote: » An accusation of rape does not mean somebody was raped.
Assetbacked wrote: » irishrebe wrote: » Who said it did? "Someone being acquitted of rape does not mean nothing happened". Equally, it does not mean something did happen.
mayolady14 wrote: » Excuse me for a second...do you?! I don’t really give a **** about anonymity tbh, I gave a **** about my mental health and what being forced to relive that in a court room would do to it. And we all know that everyone and their mother would know who I was. It’s a small country. I know what it’s like to be a victim of rape and not get justice. And I reported to the guards and was not believed.
mayolady14 wrote: » Don’t see what a woman would go seek counseling in a rape crises center if she wasn’t raped.
seamus wrote: » Let's shift focus a little to give a less contentious example. Imagine you have the following scenario, the below being the facts; 1. A and B are in a room together 2. Nobody else enters or leaves the room 3. When B opens the door, A is found dead, having been stabbed in the back. B admits to having stabbed A in the back. 4. B is tried for murder 5. B is acquitted Does this mean that A wasn't murdered? Yes, yes it does. A was "killed", but he wasn't murdered. Likewise with this case, in absence of anyone else in that room, the fact that none of the men were found guilty of rape means that logically and legally, the woman was not raped. She may have been attacked. She may have been injured. She may have been degraded and humiliated. But she wasn't raped. To even state that "it hasn't been proven that no rape happened", is to claim that the court is wrong.
pjohnson wrote: » One guard who should have faced consequences for negligence.
The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: » You can say "The court found them not guilty of rape, but that doesn't mean they didn't rape her" A court verdict is based on evidence, if there isn't enough evidence to convict then that's the verdict, not guilty. It doesn't mean that the crime wasn't committed.
You can say "The court found them not guilty of rape, but that doesn't mean they didn't rape her"
Assetbacked wrote: » Well of course I don't think you're lying or that you haven't suffered; and I don't think that the person who put you through that suffering shouldn't suffer for the rest of their life. But ultimately you didn't endure a trial as a rape victim. Justifiably your views on this trial are clouded by your own experience, but this essentially means you can't look at the matter as an impartial observer.
The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: » You are wrong. B being acquitted does not mean A was not murdered.
mayolady14 wrote: » My feelings are clear actually... I just know what it’s like to be a survivor of rape and not be believed.
Mokuba wrote: » So 100 percent of people who accuse another of rape go to rape crisis centres? That is what you have now inferred. Where did you pluck that one from? You're embarassing yourself at this point.
irishrebe wrote: » Yeah, I'm fine. Just ashamed to be Irish, reading this ****. What a nasty little country. So glad my children won't be growing up in a place where you can't have an abortion if you're raped, and where you're dragged over the coals and called a liar for daring to report a sexual assault which doesn't end in a conviction.
Mokuba wrote: So 100 percent of people who accuse another of rape go to rape crisis centres? That is what you have now inferred.
Mokuba wrote: Where did you pluck that one from?
Mokuba wrote: You're embarassing yourself at this point.
Assetbacked wrote: » But we don't know this woman or even the full facts and therefore we can't say if that is how she feels.
retro:electro wrote: » The people marching and hashtagging - what exactly did they want the jury to base their guilty verdict on? Did they want them to disregard key witness evidence? Rule on emotion? Forget the apparent inconsistencies? I don’t get it? You can agree with the verdict handed down without slapping the backs of those involved. Like I said earlier at the worst these guys would have been rapists, and at the very best they’re foul mouthed pigs, nothing worth defending there, but I agree with the verdict. All the marching and hashtagging and meme-ing is fcuking cringe.
