grogi wrote: » What's more, 99% customers didn't and still doesn't care at all about emissions unless the government taxes the hell out of them. So they really weren't fooled at all.
kbannon wrote: » Nonsense. If they knew that there would be an increased cost from higher fuel consumption then they would care. If they knew that the "fix" is likely to cause engine component damage which they will have to pay for then they would care. VW has a big PR budget and so far most people think that their car is fixed with no issues because that's what they were told by VW and surely VW wouldn't lie!
Toyotafanboi wrote: » The only thing you should consider yourself at this point is that this may have nothing to so with the update so don't go in all update guns blazing until you know what's broken.
Gwynston wrote: » Yeah, I don't plan on blaming anyone for anything - I was just peeved that this only happened at lunchtime on a Friday before the long weekend with the prospect of the car not even being looked at for a week. I didn't want to be left without a car, so I'm happy to have got one. I'll wait to see what the diagnosis is next week. If it's the EGR again, then it's under warranty, but it would be worrying if it turns out the update causes long-term recurring failures of the EGR....
CJhaughey wrote: » If the map that has been flashed utilises the EGR valve more than previously it will no doubt wear it out faster.http://www.quantumclaims.com/blog/2017/april/emissions-fix-ruined-our-cars-say-vw-drivers-in-ireland/
Toyotafanboi wrote: » it stands to reason that original components may fail a but easier after the update but there's not much to suggest that a replacement part couldn't last at least as long as the first. I don't say that in the defense of the manufacturer but there's no need to cause unfounded concerns with owners either.
Gwynston wrote: » So my VW dealer says the limp mode was caused by a fault with the accelerator, which will need to be replaced together with associated wiring at a cost of €365 with labour. Does it seem odd that limp mode would kick in with a faulty accelerator? I hadn't noticed any change in behaviour in the accelerator. The glow plug light was flashing on the dash (but no engine fault light) and the screen said something like "Service Now".
diggerdigger wrote: But I really don't see VW making up stuff to avoid sorting genuine concerns and risking that backlash.
Toyotafanboi wrote: » To be fair, you can see how the update could/ can effect EGR's, injectors and other mechanical components and so forth but it seems a bit of a stretch to think that the update has caused the accelerator pedal itself to fail?
Toyotafanboi wrote: Guys I've read this a few times, could someone tell me what the actual conspiracy being proposed here is? That the dealer is lying about the accelerator pedal fault and using the proceeds to fix something emissions related or is the belief that even local Irish dealers have lies ingrained and are out for nothing bar exploitation and are gassing monkeys from the exhaust fumes of pick uo trucks in their garages or what are we even saying?
Toyotafanboi wrote: I appreciate people making valid points that VW at a corporate level made a huge fumble and people should think twice before trusting them but the last few comments are nothing even along those lines.
Toyotafanboi wrote: To be fair, you can see how the update could/ can effect EGR's, injectors and other mechanical components and so forth but it seems a bit of a stretch to think that the update has caused the accelerator pedal itself to fail?
Toyotafanboi wrote: This chaps car is off the road, it needs an accelerator pedal, it's €350. Let's not try cloud the water too much for him.
benny79 wrote: » I'm sure if he bought it to a indy dealer it would cost a lot less then €350 for an accelerator pedal!
Zubeneschamali wrote: » Official VW dealer charges more than indy, imagine!
Gwynston wrote: » It's not just the 'pedal' - it's the accelerator assembly and associated wiring. And in more than a week, I've racked up €300 worth of car rental charges already, which VW are covering because VW Roadside Assistance towed my car to the VW dealer. So there are some benefits! Last time I went to an indy for some work I was severely discommoded not having a car for 3 days and relying on lifts to even get back and forth to/from the workshop.
Toyotafanboi wrote: » I would ask them would they consider extending the replacement vehicle as the delay is down to a supply issue on their end and beyond your control.
benny79 wrote: » I agree my vw passat was the newest and dearest car I ever owned & from such a well regarded manufacture. I find the reliability shocking to be honest. I'd say I average an extra €200 or €300 a year on stuff failing + the regular wear and tear, service etc I think it was 3 years old when I purchased it and only had it 4 months was perfect left it in VW for a service 2 days after getting it back all the lights came on brought it back and the told me the actuator on the turbo was gone! €500 after me just spending €500 on a service and suspension brackets which were €30 each. I got in done with an indy for €250. But it just seems every year there is something else wrong! might be minor but still costs a couple of hundred and I didnt even have the update done or will I! I'll never purchase a VW again. Fact.
