jm08 wrote: » Looks more like the Senator didn't read the full text of what was being retweeted as suggested by other people here.
jm08 wrote: » And how was using the word of Gerry Adams going to prove it if the word of the Minister for Justice couldn't? Sounds like you have a problem with how the justice system works. Looks more like the Senator didn't read the full text of what was being retweeted as suggested by other people here.
Because, somewhat ironically, the perpetrators enjoy the protections of the Constitution they tried so diligently to subvert......so while the authorities may well know who did it, proving it in a court of law is, rightly, a different order of a challenge.
eldamo wrote: » jm08 wrote: » Looks more like the Senator didn't read the full text of what was being retweeted as suggested by other people here. Other people where? Reports are she defended it before deleting it. If it was a misread a decent person would have acknowledged that straight away.
Red_Wake wrote: » I opined that it was possible that she only read the first part. However, knowing now that she defended it, it seems that I was mistaken. Despicable behaviour that you could only expect from SF.
blanch152 wrote: » Is that the lame excuse being proffered by the Senator? Or is it an invention of a poster on here?
eldamo wrote: » Other people where? Reports are she defended it before deleting it. If it was a misread a decent person would have acknowledged that straight away.
jm08 wrote: » There are no excuses, just apologises. From reading the full exchange in The Journal, her beef seems to have been with the SaveTheEight part with the reference to Brian Stack a bit hidden (clever by the tweeter).http://www.thejournal.ie/maire-devine-brian-stack-3912533-Mar2018/
Jawgap wrote: » Neither FG nor FF were in existence during of immediately after the War of Independence or the Civil War. Quite remarkable that SF regard this person as fit to be a public rep and, potentially, sit in scrutiny of Department of Justice and IPS.
charlie14 wrote: » I was not defending that SF senator. Merely pointing out that in the history of this state judicial murder has also been carried out. FG and FF both have their roots in the War of Independence and even more so in the Civil War. Glorified by both and still a bone of contention among their hardcore supporters To claim they have not is similar to claiming the present SF do not have their roots from the PIRA campaign.
blanch152 wrote: » How do you explain this? "Stack: ”So you obviously stand over that disgusting tweet then?” Devine: ”I would review your “compassionate friends” a myriad of agendas – loss is personal and traumatic, its [sic] doesn’t belong to trolls. A conflict that lost many loved ones”"
jm08 wrote: » By reading the full exchange on twitter: Devine: Apologies for entire re-tweet – primary issue with Leo. #sensitivity Stack: ”Senator how dare you speak of my father in those terms. You have brought great shame on the Oireachtas” Devine: ”I bring no shame – I bring equality – especially in health and well-being. We can’t ever agree but can forge forward-Let’s leave it there” Stack: ”So you obviously stand over that disgusting tweet then?” Devine: ”I would review your “compassionate friends” a myriad of agendas – loss is personal and traumatic, its [sic] doesn’t belong to trolls. A conflict that lost many loved ones”
blanch152 wrote: » If one fails to learn from history, one is doomed to repeat the same mistakes. Quoting a century-old precedent to support unacceptable behaviour in a modern day society is a pathetic attempt to defend the indefensible. The behaviour of both sides in the Civil War would not be acceptable today.
eldamo wrote: » Care to provide any interpretation on the use of #sensitivity? That is the bit that makes my skin crawl entirely... but maybe you have some nice rationalization of it...
jm08 wrote: » She should have left it out, but if using that on twitter becomes a sackable offence, we will probably be left with no politicians.
eldamo wrote: » #sensitivity translation, your dad is dead, we killed him, build a bridge and get over it. #joinsinnfein ok, signing out of this thread before I lose my mind. Some people can rationalize anything.
blanch152 wrote: » Nobody has ever claimed that FF and FG don't have their roots in the Civil War.
charlie14 wrote: » blanch152 wrote: » If one fails to learn from history, one is doomed to repeat the same mistakes. Quoting a century-old precedent to support unacceptable behaviour in a modern day society is a pathetic attempt to defend the indefensible. The behaviour of both sides in the Civil War would not be acceptable today. If the history of conflict, not just in our own country but worldwide, has taught us anything is that to achieve peace by moving from conflict to politics there comes a time when a line has to be drawn underneath. I am not saying that is right or wrong, but historically there has been no other way with conflict to achieve peace. I do feel sorry for the Stack family in this. Same as I feel sorry for all sides who had family members murdered who feel they never received or are ever likely to achieved justice. But their are times that I have felt the Stack family are being used as political footballs
charlie14 wrote: » Jawgap appeared to be. Which was the post I was replying too
Jawgap wrote: » Please read what's written, not what you'd like to be written. FF and FG were not in existence at the time of the War of Independence and the Civil War......it's possible to construct a timeline to show they have roots in those and earlier conflicts, but the facts remains that neither were established until well afterwards.
Matt Barrett wrote: » If Sinn Fein change their name, is that an end to it? The key difference between much of what people associated with FF/FG/SF carried out to push their agenda is that the IRA's SF associated actions are more recent. Mind, I also don't recall Sinn Fein claiming or taking credit for any killings.Cameron wanted Mandela hung, but I suppose it depends on your politics, what outrages you and what doesn't.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » I don't think this is true.
Matt Barrett wrote: » He was a leading member of the conservative group that produced the 'hang mandela' posters.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » No, he wasn't.
If Sinn Fein change their name, is that an end to it? The key difference between much of what people associated with FF/FG/SF carried out to push their agenda is that the IRA's SF associated actions are more recent. Mind, I also don't recall Sinn Fein claiming or taking credit for any killings.Cameron wanted Mandela hung, but I suppose it depends on your politics, what outrages you and what doesn't.
Matt Barrett wrote: » Can you show that? If I'm mistaken, fair enough.
jm08 wrote: » Its not, but a group called Federation of Conservative Students did put up posters and sold badges with ''Hang Nelson Mandela'' in the 1980s when Cameron was in university.
Matt Barrett wrote: » He was a leading member. In fairness, let's leave the post;
Matt Barrett wrote: » If Sinn Fein change their name, is that an end to it? The key difference between much of what people associated with FF/FG/SF carried out to push their agenda is that the IRA's SF associated actions are more recent. Mind, I also don't recall Sinn Fein claiming or taking credit for any killings. Cameron wanted Mandela hung, but I suppose it depends on your politics, what outrages you and what doesn't.
