blanch152 wrote: » https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0318/948425-bradley-stormont-powersharing/ Differences between the Irish and UK governments on how to handle the North. Bradley puts it up to them "I cannot tell two grown-up parties in the DUP and Sinn Féin, who are the two parties that need to make an agreement, to reach an accommodation and come to an accommodation to form a devolved government." Certainly, in the way that Sinn Fein have been running to the governments crying about the bullying DUP, there has been more than a little echo of childish behaviour. Similarly, in the DUP making a big thing of an issue such as SSM is also very childish behaviour. However, is there really any appetite from either party to restore Stormont? I think SF want another go at becoming the largest party while the DUP are happy for the moment to sit in government in London instead of Belfast.
THE SON OF a prison officer shot dead by the IRA has called for a Sinn Féin senator to resign after she retweeted a message calling his father a ‘sadist’.
The tweet read: “Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has congratulated Gerry Adams after the people of New York celebrated #GerryAdamsDay. Leo had no response to criticism in the #Sindo from a #SaveThe8th Fianna Fáil son of a sadist prison officer. The party described her actions as “unacceptable”. “The Ard Chomhairle has suspended, with immediate effect, Senator Devine from party membership and all party activities for a period of three months. The whip has been removed and Senator Devine will be outside of the Leinster House team for that period.
Leo had no response to criticism in the #Sindo from a #SaveThe8th Fianna Fáil son of a sadist prison officer.
Jawgap wrote: » Another own goal......Sinn Féin suspends senator for retweeting message calling IRA victim a 'sadist prison officer' three month suspension? For another example of SF's attitude - these type of outbursts seem to be happening with increasing frequency.
blanch152 wrote: » McElduff got the standard three-month suspension initially too. This one seems worse, it doesn't take much for the mask to slip, does it? As the party spokesperson on health and mental health, it is an extraordinary lapse. Hugely crass the way she argued with Stack afterwards. Many SF representatives really don't see or understand the hurt they cause.
piplip87 wrote: » I have done a bit of digging regarding the comments today. What I learned was: 1) SF/IRA where unhappy that the Irish Prison Service was running the prison and not SF/IRA. 2) There supporters will still insist in attacking the victim. 3) What about is still the main part of their argument about everything.
Matt Barrett wrote: » I believe the IRA shot him, albeit with claims it was unsanctioned. I don't see how blaming the victim relates to this. They made him a victim and have their own reasons. I suppose that's related; they blamed him for some perceived slights and made him a victim?
"The Garda authorities have never provided our family with an adequate explanation for these shortcomings," he added. The family said they remain frustrated with the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation which is currently in charge of case. "It is our view that the distinct lack of cooperation our family has experienced with the NBCI team is directly linked to the unsettling aspects and major flaws uncovered in the original Garda investigation," said Austin Stack.
Several meetings with Mr Adams in recent months led to last week's two-hour secret rendezvous with a former top IRA leader. They were told to leave behind phones, and give their word they were not wired, before being driven from the M1 motorway near Dundalk in a blacked out van to their unknown location.
piplip87 wrote: » Yes SF supporters have attacked Stack accusing him of abuse of prisoners and somehow using these accusations to justify the killing. They have also went on to attack his son, who is a member of FF. Apparently speaking out against your fathers murderers is "A ploy to discredit SF by a FF member." I also do not buy into the whole unsanctioned argument. If it was unsanctioned, then why not make sure those who where responsible came forward ?
Red_Wake wrote: » Personally I'd wonder what internal discipline they imposed on the perpetrators, I suspect none. Really should have been a good week for SF, with Gerry getting honoured in the US. Instead it's led to another incident involving their past awful past being dredged for all to see. Mary Lou was supposed to get them away from their past, but she has to defend it regularly due to gaffes like thiis. I do suspect Devine didn't read the full tweet before retweeting tbf. A lesson for all who use twitter professionally.
"Some years later, when the Army Council discovered that its volunteers had shot Prison Officer Brian Stack, the volunteer responsible for the instruction was disciplined." But the statement said the IRA killers involved were acting under orders. "This operation should not have taken place," it states. "While the IRA can no longer comment on this matter, let me express my sorrow for the pain and hurt your family suffered."
jm08 wrote: » If you read this, the Stack's beef is with the Gardai.https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/thirty-years-on-ira-finally-admits-killing-prison-officer-brian-stack-29486852.html
Jawgap wrote: » The original parody account she retweeted seems to have disappeared? I wonder if it will be revealed who was running it.
blanch152 wrote: » Yes, it seems they believe that the gardai were reluctant to investigate because the State was wary of causing issues with the peace process, particularly with an investigation focussing on a person who was leading the IRA and Sinn Fein at the same time. I wonder who that was?
blanch152 wrote: » Probably a non-Sinn Fein Twitter account, just like the one that falsely brought down Sean Gallagher.
jm08 wrote: » According to that article I linked to above, the IRA apologised for it which suggests admitting guilt. I'm no fan of Sinn Fein, but I think you are barking up the wrong tree here. What more should they do?
piplip87 wrote: » Give the names of those responsible to the authorities, would be a start. The end of the day they have information about an agent of the states murder. On the other hand they are looking to get into government and run the state.
blanch152 wrote: » Isn't that the key point though? IF you want to grow up and take part in the political leadership of this state, surely you must hand over to justice those who have tried to subvert the State, killing officers of the State such as Gardai and prison officers. That is why the Jerry McCabe and Austin Stack murders have such resonance.
charlie14 wrote: » Not exactly foreign in the history of the two largest parties in the state that have governed from it`s establishment in one form or other. One in particular that when it came to running the state whose hands were not to clean when it came to judicial murder, and where some of it`s members are still glorified to this day.
Jawgap wrote: » Neither FG nor FF were in existence during of immediately after the War of Independence or the Civil War. Quite remarkable that SF regard this person as fit to be a public rep and, potentially, sit in scrutiny of Department of Justice and IPS.
jm08 wrote: » Red_Wake wrote: » Personally I'd wonder what internal discipline they imposed on the perpetrators, I suspect none. Really should have been a good week for SF, with Gerry getting honoured in the US. Instead it's led to another incident involving their past awful past being dredged for all to see. Mary Lou was supposed to get them away from their past, but she has to defend it regularly due to gaffes like thiis. I do suspect Devine didn't read the full tweet before retweeting tbf. A lesson for all who use twitter professionally. According to that article I linked to above, the IRA apologised for it which suggests admitting guilt. "Some years later, when the Army Council discovered that its volunteers had shot Prison Officer Brian Stack, the volunteer responsible for the instruction was disciplined." But the statement said the IRA killers involved were acting under orders. "This operation should not have taken place," it states. "While the IRA can no longer comment on this matter, let me express my sorrow for the pain and hurt your family suffered." I'm no fan of Sinn Fein, but I think you are barking up the wrong tree here. What more should they do?
jm08 wrote: » Since everyone knew who did it seemingly (they were named in the Dail), why were they not prosecuted? As for seeking to get into Government. Perhaps you should lecture the people who elect them on that. They won't get into Government if people don't vote for them in the first place.
Jawgap wrote: » Because, somewhat ironically, the perpetrators enjoy the protections of the Constitution they tried so diligently to subvert......so while the authorities may well know who did it, proving it in a court of law is, rightly, a different order of a challenge.
How SF don't see what the senator tweeted as a resigning matter really does speak volumes about their mindset.
piplip87 wrote: » SF are appealing to the "we won't pay" brigade. When the country is back to maximum employment and people realise that the left want to raise taxes to fund the workshy, the poll numbers will come tumbling down. SF will not govern down South for a long time yet.
