david75 wrote: » I often wonder what may 23rd 2015 was like for those people that voted against marriage equality.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Feels like most of them just forgot all about the issue the moment the result was announced. As with Divorce II 20 years earlier...
david75 wrote: » WOUldnt be so sure. Here they are fighting for the last chance available to them to maintain their grip on our society. Women’s wombs. Totally unsuitable battleground.
ForestFire wrote: » This is complete fallacy. Do you think travel to the UK, our nearest neighbours, is going to suddenly stop because of Brexit? The bussiest European route between two cites is going to come to a halt in a year, dublin to london 4.7million per annum. I think there enough reasons on the pro choice side without this.
Neyite wrote: » This morning I got thinking about all this debate. I thought about the few people I know who had diagnosed FFA pregnancies and who choose to carry to term. One couple has a child now with significant & severe special needs. Another got a few precious days with their baby. Others were born sleeping. In all of those cases, the couples involved got amazing care from hospital staff, or from organisations such as Feilecain. Other professionals in their fields have donated their time or their skills to try to give a couple reeling during incredibly painful time some lasting memories. There were photographers giving them precious photos, seamstresses and knitters making delicate beautiful gowns for their babies to give you just a couple of examples of what folk do for newly bereaved parents. Down the line, I've seen the difficulty with the actual reality of having a disabled child who survived from a FFA diagnosis. The endless appointments, therapies and hospital stays far away from home. Waiting on multiple waiting lists. Home help. Respite care. Home nursing. Wheelchair ramps. Adaptable cars. Hoists, adult nappies, adaptation of homes and furniture to accommodate a disabled growing child. There are various organisations, charities and HSE outpatient supports that help parents with some of this but it's still a daily struggle. But I wondered where LoveBoth were in all of that? In the beginning to support people going through that pregnancy? Afterwards when the baby was born? Not once did I ever hear, out of all of the organisations that supported my friends, that the service or assistance the parents of a special needs baby was provided by LoveBoth. Not so much as a baby hat. I wondered what they actually do for the babies they love so much. Maybe they provide bereavement counselling I thought. Or helped with funeral costs? Or maybe they offer a NICU nurse support so they could briefly bring their baby home for a few days? I was sure that they offer some sort of help...because they love both, right? So I googled to check. And they don't appear to provide a thing. Not a single link to a support or a service for a crisis pregnancy, rape, FFA, or post-natal supports. Absolutely nothing. Love Both my arse.
amdublin wrote: » Is this it?? Is this the last thing they are standing over? Like if it's repealed. Actually no. WHEN it's repealed in May, is this it, they will go away? Like serious question, is there anything else left that they still want to boss people about?
amdublin wrote: Like if it's repealed. Actually no. WHEN it's repealed in May, is this it, they will go away?
Loafing Oaf wrote: » The last big one I would say.
RobertKK wrote: » Yes, if one doesn't believe something is right, then it doesn't matter how far someone has to travel for what one believes is wrong. Some view killing the unborn as something that is fine to do. Others view the killing of the unborn as something that is conscientiously the taking of a life.
Zerbini Blewitt wrote: » They do indeed. Yet, all they seem to have they have to back this stance up is their banal assertion that it is murdering babies (aka murdering fertilized ovums ) 75% - 90% by quantity of these abortion threads deal with the embryo/fetus, so I think a quid pro quo is in order. Would you be up for spending 1-4 weeks on this thread on woman’s right to bodily autonomy. Let’s get beyond the “it (forced birthing) is the lesser of two evils non-debate PR slogan from the pro-life side” I’m sure we will then all have a highly sophisticated ethical & moral debate worthy of a country with a high development index (in 2018) (without any issue-avoiding, non-argument tactics from any potential 1930’s style authoritarian forced-birthers). What do you say? (Note: Ignoring this post will have to be taken that the answer is:- No, You will not spend 4 minutes (let alone 4 weeks) discussing bodily autonomy rights).
RobertKK wrote: » I don't support repeal the 8th and the extremist abortion regime the government wants to introduce.
Zerbini Blewitt wrote: » That’s fine. I thought you would have zero interest & zero arguments to make about women’s bodily autonomy in any case!! At least we’re clear where you stand. Just to correct one minor misunderstanding you have… The only extremists in this issue are • pro-forced birthers (like Ireland 1861-2018**, Nazi Germany, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan under the Taliban etc) and • forced abortionists (who don’t exist) Pro-choice is the sane centre ground (which is the civilised norm in all advanced, civilised countries). The body autonomy aspect of this debate will continue to take place anyway. (** all those who vote pro-life in our endless referenda (yes, that means your elderly catholic mammy & daddy and ), IONA, YD, Right wing neo-Fascist parties etc.)
Ismisejack wrote: » The proposed abortion amendment is totally unacceptable in my view and will ultimately lead to abortion on demand
Ismisejack wrote: » Trying to normalise murder and claim pro-lifeors are extremists. I’m am insulting all I stand for engaging with an invacile like you
Ismisejack wrote: » Trying to normalise murder and claim pro-lifeors are extremists.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Yeah, who wants to engage with invaciles?
pitifulgod wrote: » It's pretty moderate by international standards so not extreme. The reality is Robert, Irish citizens have abortions by the thousands. The state puts undue stress on all those women. You wish to maintain it.
Hapax Legomenon wrote: » A vote to retain the 8th is a vote to essentially 'look the other way' while thousands of Irish women continue to have abortions in the UK - often later than would be the case if it was available in Ireland. I think it's important not to view the referendum as a 'what are your views on abortion?' survey. You can remain personally opposed to it in all circumstances, while also taking the more pragmatic view that it should not be criminalised.
david75 wrote: » Anyone get their cheque from Soros this week? Mine never came
robarmstrong wrote: » Nah, it really won't.
Ismisejack wrote: Trying to normalise murder and claim pro-lifeors are extremists. I’m am insulting all I stand for engaging with an invacile like you
