punisher5112 wrote: » Go ahead wouldn't have to buy any bus though. These are all paid for by us tax payer fools and letting a multi national in to make even more profit.
Van.Bosch wrote: » They were awarded the contract through an open tender, so not buying the buses isn’t really relevant. DB don’t buy their buses?
punisher5112 wrote: » dB is semi state which it should stay as. Luas is operated by a transdev/veolia. A private operator which also is multi national. We don't need to give away contracts to multi national companies. dB use to purchase but it wasn't any different really as subsidisation was how it works and always will. Go ahead will cost more to do the exact same service. They aren't going to be any better but the nta will push the 35% increase in service as a big thing like oh look how much better they are. Why does everything have to be sold of and letting things be taken over.
Van.Bosch wrote: » I’ll give you a couple of examples as to why: 1) DARTs stopping at Clontarf road and then 200m down thevtracks to change drivers. The driver change should be at Clontarf road station to minimise passenger disruption. 2) DART drivers refusing to train new drivers. 3) DB drivers refusing to operate rear doors at stops where it is safe to do so.
Stephen15 wrote: » To be fair most DB drivers are now are using the middle doors at most stops or at least on routes I have observed.
punisher5112 wrote: » The thing I never get is no matter how long they are left open someone nearly always walks into as closing.
Hapax Legomenon wrote: » I know there are already far too many annoying beeps and automated announcements on public transport, but is there anything at all to be said for a "stand clear, door closing" announcement on buses?
salonfire wrote: » What's wrong with a business making profit? The businesses that provides you with food, medicines, cars, fuel, clothing, etc make profits also.
bebeman wrote: » Private operator- Profits go to share holders. Public operator- Profits go to Government, means less money from TAX PAYERS is required to operate the routes that loose money.
amcalester wrote: » Problem with that is that the public operators, hamstrung by unions and other vested interests, don’t turn a profit and require further investment paid for by the tax payer whereas private operators don’t get any extra funding.
bebeman wrote: » You would be wrong there kiddo! DB turn profit. Government have cut money given to DB by the same amount as the profit made. Wont be cutting the money Go Ahead receive no matter how much profit, but watch them cut DB money, savings for Tax Payer
bebeman wrote: » Wont be cutting the money Go Ahead receive no matter how much profit, but watch them cut DB money.
devnull wrote: » The Bus Eireann Waterford contract is an identical style contract to the Go-Ahead Dublin one, and if DB had retained the Dublin routes they'd have been on exactly the same contract as Go-Ahead will be on rather than the contract DB are on now.
end of the road wrote: » private operators have unions. in fact go ahead, and any of the other majors that may come in will have the exact same unions as dublin bus. the private operators operating tendered routes, will also get the "extra funding" that the public operator supposibly gets, in the form of capital investment, in the form of busses to operate the PSO routes, just like the public operator. that isn't going to come from fares income, it will come from the tax payer, ergo the public operator gets no more extra funding then the private operator, unless either of them put in a higher cost bid and win more on the quality aspect. the profit the private operator will make does not go back into services but to the shareholders, the NTA getting the fares income only and paying a fixed fee out of that. so the public operator not making a profit isn't relevant, given both will be getting the exact same funding in the form of the money to operate services, and capital investment in the form of the vehicles to operate the routes. ergo this is a waste of everyone's time.
amcalester wrote: » You’re conflating lots of ideas here so it’s hard to follow your post, but one thing is clear is that you don’t understand tendering.
Stephen15 wrote: » But DB will on the same type of contract for the remaining 90% from 2019
Infini wrote: » The only thing I have to ask is why are these contracts being awarded to an English company who will be out of the EU by next year? Wont Brexit have an effect on these if England increasingly looks like its gonna crash off the edge?
end of the road wrote: » i very much understand tendering. the reality is once contracts are signed, both operators get the funding to operate the routes, and they get vehicles to operate the routes. the NTA takes the fares income and pays the operators out of that along with the subsidies. whether the operator makes a profit or not isn't relevant given profit from the operator won't go back into the operation.
Van.Bosch wrote: » 1) DARTs stopping at Clontarf road and then 200m down thevtracks to change drivers. The driver change should be at Clontarf road station to minimise passenger disruption.
devnull wrote: » Public operators normally have an issue in that if there is any profit to be had the funds normally end up going to the staff or there will be a strike and normally are not facing such levels of competition as the private sector does. The unions have been telling us for years though that Dublin Bus should not be expected to make a profit.
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