Ex RTÉ producer sentenced to 18 months in prison

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

would you not like to know that some person down the road is a sex offender so you can make sure your kids are kept away from them?

What about the sex offenders in the area that nobody knows about? At least the known sex offenders are being somewhat monitored ,remotely, by AGS?

pilly wrote: »

So if there are sex offenders in every single area what's the point in knowing?

In the U.S. there seems to be offenders in every area. I'm not suggesting people leaving kids with every and anyone who doesn't appear on the sex offenders register. I do think the sex offenders register is a good idea...why not be aware that they pose a threat to children?

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you are assuming that they are all strangers. You wouldn't like to know if somebody that you were acquainted with was a sex offender?

If you don’t leave your dependent kids alone with other adults then you don’t have to worry.

ohnonotgmail

splinter65 wrote: »

What about the sex offenders in the area that nobody knows about?

The more information you have the better precautions you can take. i would have thought that was obvious.

splinter65 wrote: »

At least the known sex offenders are being somewhat monitored ,remotely, by AGS?

they are? they are free to move around. I would be beyond shocked if the gardai were monitoring them at all. In what way do you think the gardai can monitor them?

pilly

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

In the U.S. there seems to be offenders in every area. I'm not suggesting people leaving kids with every and anyone who doesn't appear on the sex offenders register. I do think the sex offenders register is a good idea...why not be aware that they pose a threat to children?

Because it leads to paranoia. Also attacks and intimidation. Do you honestly think Irish people with access to that information wouldn't attack people? And they can always get it mixed up and attack innocent people.

ohnonotgmail

splinter65 wrote: »

If you don’t leave your dependent kids alone with other adults then you don’t have to worry.

unless you are standing next to them 24 hours a day you cant guarantee that.

pilly wrote: »

Because it leads to paranoia. Also attacks and intimidation. Do you honestly think Irish people with access to that information wouldn't attack people? And they can always get it mixed up and attack innocent people.

The flipside of that argument is that by not making the public aware of them leaves them free to attack/abuse other kids. Why should they get to serve half of a Medicore, concurrent sentence, and rock out of jail ready to groom a new set of victims.

In my opinion, the laws and legislations surrounding the whole area of sexual abuse in Ireland is archaic, and stems from a time when some higher ups turned a blind eye to paedophilia. I think the laws need to be updated , as a deterrent for would-be offenders.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The more information you have the better precautions you can take. i would have thought that was obvious.

they are? they are free to move around. I would be beyond shocked if the gardai were monitoring them at all. In what way do you think the gardai can monitor them?

I don’t have a problem with public access to the sex offenders list. Who cares a damn about any of them or their rights and entitlements?
The problem I have is that a huge swathe of parents appear to be under the impression that all sex offenders are on this list and that they only have to be wary of those people.
There’s no doubt AGS know all the offenders on the list in their area. This in itself curtails the activities of your known sex offender. It is a type of low level monitoring.

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I would really hope that's not the case.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

unless you are standing next to them 24 hours a day you cant guarantee that.

You can’t garuntee anything. And I’m anti hysteria/paranoia/helicoptering.
You’ve got to literally brainwash your kids from an early age that no adult ever ever needs to put their hands on them. And if an adult wants to give you sweets or any kind of treats then you have to say please and thank you but you don’t have to do anything in return. All that stuff. You’ve got to hammer it home until they are shouting “ shut up mammy”.
You’ve got to make sure every single day that they know that they can and must tell you everything and anything they want to tell you and that you can and will fix it.

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

I would really hope that's not the case.

I’m afraid you’d be shocked if you heard some of the rubbish I listen too.

splinter65 wrote: »

I’m afraid you’d be shocked if you heard some of the rubbish I listen too.

Sounds like it would be shocking enough alright!

The punishment seems very insufficient to me but I suppose his real punishment was being posted online by that Facebook group

shamrock55 wrote: »

He was hardly meeting her to play tiddlywinks,the intent was there,why do we have to wait till something bad happens,this creep was only after one thing and I'd have no problem even hanging the prick

Yeh it sucks, but the sentence has to be less for attempt to commit a crime than actually committing the crime..its just logical sense

pilly

wakka12 wrote: »

The punishment seems very insufficient to me but I suppose his real punishment was being posted online by that Facebook group

His life is ruined whatever way you look at it.

That photo of how much he aged in 4 months is absolutely mad! Shows what stress does to your health

Jim Bob Scratcher

Did anyone see the interview last night on the Pat Kenny show? It seems that anyone who questions these vigilante's methods is a paedophile sympathizer which is absolutely ridiculous. If they really cared or are serious about protecting children why don't they just hand the evidence over to the police without broadcasting it live all over facebook?

end of the road

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Did anyone see the interview last night on the Pat Kenny show? It seems that anyone who questions these vigilante's methods is a paedophile sympathizer which is absolutely ridiculous. If they really cared or are serious about protecting children why don't they just hand the evidence over to the police without broadcasting it live all over facebook?

it's basically an attempt by the members of these groups and their supporters to silence anyone who disagrees with them because they know they have no actual argument. thankfully it doesn't work. they have the same trend in relation to any other issue, where they accuse people of being of the opposite extreme view.

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Did anyone see the interview last night on the Pat Kenny show? It seems that anyone who questions these vigilante's methods is a paedophile sympathizer which is absolutely ridiculous. If they really cared or are serious about protecting children why don't they just hand the evidence over to the police without broadcasting it live all over facebook?

Completely agree. Even though Im glad he's going to jail, Im still critical of the groups methods, and , their motivations. Just because you're critical of the group, who in my opinion seem like bad people mostly, and I believe safety of children is a good bit down their list of priorities , doesnt mean I think the man shouldn't be punished for what he did, the two opinions are not mutually exclusive

Bob_Marley

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Did anyone see the interview last night on the Pat Kenny show? It seems that anyone who questions these vigilante's methods is a paedophile sympathizer which is absolutely ridiculous. If they really cared or are serious about protecting children why don't they just hand the evidence over to the police without broadcasting it live all over facebook?

because just like here the police would do little or nothing if they could get away with it.

weldoninhio

Feisar wrote: »

In this instance there was no child though. So may I ask, what did is the actual offence here?

I'm in no way trying to defend this lad or say he shouldn't be locked up. I'm just trying to understand the actual crime committed.

If the cops set up a drug sting, with another cop posing as the buyer. So there is no actual buyers what is the actual offence there??

weldoninhio

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Did anyone see the interview last night on the Pat Kenny show? It seems that anyone who questions these vigilante's methods is a paedophile sympathizer which is absolutely ridiculous. If they really cared or are serious about protecting children why don't they just hand the evidence over to the police without broadcasting it live all over facebook?

Because as seen time and time again, the cops will do little or nothing. Have you had to call them recently??

DEFTLEFTHAND

How do the Police view these vigilante groups?

I'm sure they are not best pleased about civilians involving themselves in police business.

I'm all for citizens doing voluntary investigative work but I believe they should hand over their findings and evidence to the Police once complete.

Filming themselves confronting the accused for youtube and social media likes, not to mention potential financial gain through these platforms is dishonorable behaviour.