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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

JCX BXC

The seat map for the B767-200 being leased by EI next year are available on the Aer Lingus website, the seating is 2,3,2 in economy (As was suspected) and 2,2,2 in business

There are 189 economy seats and 12 Business seats making a total of the reported 201 seats.

Anyone know whether the B767 will be repainted, partially or entirely, in the EI colours for the 6 months that its leased for?

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Bussywussy

Spare was 14...not definite yet.

Jamie2k9

Bussywussy wrote: »

Spare was 14...not definite yet.

The Tue/Thur FAO don't start until 5 June so I guess they don't relly need it fully until then. They must have some sort of plan either getting there own or maybe short lease from Hi Fly or something.

mikel97

JCX BXC wrote: »

God help them if an aircraft goes tech, will be an extended Shannon without service I'd say!

Dont worry too much you will always have Norwegian operating if you need a NewYork or Boston trip. Thats if you can get a seat.

Bussywussy

mikel97 wrote: »

JCX BXC wrote: »

God help them if an aircraft goes tech, will be an extended Shannon without service I'd say!

Dont worry too much you will always have Norwegian operating if you need a NewYork or Boston trip. Thats if you can get a seat.

How many seats a day do Norwegian offer VS Aer Lingus???

cdsb46

According to Shannon airport Aer Lingus are getting a new A330 NEO

https://twitter.com/ShannonAirport/status/973913780852752384?s=19

alancostello

cdsb46 wrote: »

According to Shannon airport Aer Lingus are getting a new A330 NEO

https://twitter.com/ShannonAirport/status/973913780852752384?s=19

Methinks the Shannon Airport marketing intern is about to get a slap on the wrist, with literally nothing announced by IAG, EI, or Airbus, this is just an error on their part.

JCX BXC

alancostello wrote: »

Methinks the Shannon Airport marketing intern is about to get a slap on the wrist, with literally nothing announced by IAG, EI, or Airbus, this is just an error on their part.

Hopefully they cop it soon, doesn't look good! I find that most of the marketing department in the airport are quite up to date on happenings in the airport, don't know what happened here but either a dangerous assumption or some misinformation along the line!

Edit: I see mention of it has been removed on Facebook

imfml

There was an Aer Lingus 330 in Shannon yesterday doing base training. Probably crossed wires

Cookiemunster

cdsb46 wrote: »

According to Shannon airport Aer Lingus are getting a new A330 NEO

https://twitter.com/ShannonAirport/status/973913780852752384?s=19

Tweets been deleted and replaced by a more generic tweet.

https://twitter.com/ShannonAirport/status/973938457864294401

goingnowhere

EI haven't any A330's of any type on order. The new 4 are all now in service

zone 1

320 fleet must be next

JCX BXC

zone 1 wrote: »

320 fleet must be next

Why?

zone 1

are they not starting to get old

Locker10a

Today EI announced they will introduce a new uniform next spring 20 years after the current one was introduced.
Does anyone think this might be part of a brand and livery refresh? I’m very fond of the EI livery and wouldn’t want them to change much, but perhaps a slight alteration similar to what KLM did would modernise it?
Am I right in thinking the current uniform and livery were introduced together as part of a rebranding in 1998?

Tenger

Locker10a wrote: »

Today EI announced they will introduce a new uniform next spring 20 years after the current one was introduced. rght alte
Am I right in thinking the current uniform and livery were introduced together as part of a rebranding in 1998?

Livery was introduced in 1996 after the B747's left.
Uniform was introduced Summer 1998 for crew and post summer '98 for Ground Ops.

Even with the clarification from SNN twitter I saw some youngster on the DUB movements page getting all confused at an A330neo being in Shannon. He was wondering why IAG/EI didnt make a media announcement about its arrival.

goingnowhere

Been on the list for some time, current uniform is well past its sell by date

Locker10a

Tenger wrote: »

Locker10a wrote: »

Today EI announced they will introduce a new uniform next spring 20 years after the current one was introduced. rght alte
Am I right in thinking the current uniform and livery were introduced together as part of a rebranding in 1998?

Livery was introduced in 1996 after the B747's left.
Uniform was introduced Summer 1998 for crew and post summer '98 for Ground Ops.

Even with the clarification from SNN twitter I saw some youngster on the DUB movements page getting all confused at an A330neo being in Shannon. He was wondering why IAG/EI didnt make a media announcement about its arrival.

Ah ok makes sense, thanks for the clarification

JCX BXC

goingnowhere wrote: »

Been on the list for some time, current uniform is well past its sell by date

How long's the EI Stobart one been around? I'm thinking not that long but those waist coats look like something from the 80's.

L1011

Stobart staff wear the normal EI one I thought?

kevinandrew

zone 1 wrote: »

320 fleet must be next

It will be looked at once Aer Lingus can prove to IAG that replacement is worth the investment. IAG has a large A320neo order but most have been allocated to BA and IB already so EI will need to wait for top up orders from IAG in the years ahead.

john boye

L1011 wrote: »

Stobart staff wear the normal EI one I thought?

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's the exact same

HTCOne

The cost of the extra fuel burn of legacy aircraft is outweighed by the finance costs of the latest jets with current fuel prices, and with oil prices not expected to increase due a)falling demand with increased electric car and renewable energy sales, b) the US becoming self sufficient in oil for the first time since the 70s and c) Iran exporting again due lifting of sanctions, so the CEOs (320 and 330) will stay around for a while I reckon. It’s this reason why there’s been a relative dearth in sales for all new widebodies in recent years, it’s cheaper just to overhaul the thirsty older gen aircraft.

There was an article last week where WW said IAG did up a flight plan for a Level A332 vs a B788 in Norwegian’s configuration on BCN-LAX. The 330 burns about 6T more fuel, or $3,500 in today’s prices, which is far less than the extra cost of financing the 788.

duskyjoe

HTCOne wrote: »

There was an article last week where WW said IAG did up a flight plan for a Level A332 vs a B788 in Norwegian’s configuration on BCN-LAX. The 330 burns about 6T more fuel, or $3,500 in today’s prices, which is far less than the extra cost of financing the 788.

6 tons more? I find that figure incredible as the 330 is an incredibly efficient aircraft or the 788 runs on fresh air. Has anyone a link to that article ?

smurfjed

788 runs on fresh air.

The 787 really does run on air, I will get you some real world figures as we operate the 789, a333 and b773, the 789 is taking over a number of long 773 routes with fuel figures around 5000 kgs per hour.

With the present fuel prices, I find the economics of the A350 to be rather strange compared to the A333.

I will get back with some real figures.

HTCOne

duskyjoe wrote: »

6 tons more? I find that figure incredible as the 330 is an incredibly efficient aircraft or the 788 runs on fresh air. Has anyone a link to that article ?

Apologies, the article is actually from November, not last week. I’m blaming night shift. Here’s the link anyway

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/iag-lauds-ownership-cost-benefit-of-level-a330s-442905/

smurfjed

As per a friend who flies the B789 and is qualified on the A350, the 789 burns 5000kgs avg p/h with 289 seats @ M.85 and the A350 5800kgs avg with 320 seats @ M.85.

alancostello

smurfjed wrote: »

As per a friend who flies the B789 and is qualified on the A350, the 789 burns 5000kgs avg p/h with 289 seats @ M.85 and the A350 5800kgs avg with 320 seats @ M.85.

A350 or A330? LEVEL's claim was in regards to the A330

smurfjed

Apologies, figures are 350, I would assume 330 is slightly worse.

alancostello

smurfjed wrote: »

Apologies, figures are 350, I would assume 330 is slightly worse.

Worse how? The A330 is up to 50 tonnes lighter and carries less passengers. CASM is surely better on the A350 on longer sectors, but I would expect fuel usage to be much less on the A330 p/h.

smurfjed

A330 (at least in our two configurations) carry up to 296 passengers with an avg fuel burn of 6000 kgs, so more fuel, less seats and slower, so worse.