Chrongen wrote: » The UK and the US is going to do FUCK ALL about this. Why? Because it's a farce. It reminds me of MH-17. You have beakers like John Kerry saying "We have absolute proof that the Russians did this" and then can't put his balls where his blather is. Now we have this crap. A Russian was poisoned in England along with his daughter.....It's PUTIN!!! Proof? fcuk that, who needs proof? I can't wait for the next pantomime of a stitch up. You want to implicate somebody? Then prove it. Show all your evidence instead, Thereasa May, of demanding that they prove themselves innocent. that was funny. "We need the Russians to prove they didn't so this" :pac::pac: And she leads a country?
Chrongen wrote: » And it seems nobody can explain why Russia would want to "off" a has-been. Why would Russia do such a thing and leave such a trail? Without so much as a glimmer of evidence, why are things like sanctions already being spoken of? I understand that there are people out there who are frightened and/or want to really believe Downing Street but this latest episode is just amateurish. If I was a leader of a country like Russia I would slap down this fakery with severe ramifications. you want to come to the World Cup? Good, Any British photographer now needs a visa and it will cost 10 million dollars. BBC want to broadcast games to the world? Every camera in Russia will now cost 50 million. All English players now need to go through 10 days of medicals and all supporters need to pay 1000 to enter Russia. these stipulations do not apply to anyone else, only the English.
Chrongen wrote: » I was just paying attention to something. Since The UK refused access to Russia's inspectors regarding this chemical agent, apparently that puts the UK in breach of the international treaties regarding chemical and biological weapons. Correct me if I am wrong.
The British authorities’ unfounded accusations of Russia’s alleged involvement in using poisonous agents on their territory are absolutely unacceptable. Our British colleagues should recall that Russia and the United Kingdom are members of the OPCW which is one of the most successful and effective disarmament and non-proliferation mechanisms. We call upon them to abandon the language of ultimatums and threats and return to the legal framework of the chemical convention, which makes it possible to resolve this kind of situation.
Our British colleagues should save their propaganda fervour and slogans for their unenlightened domestic audience, where perhaps they will have some effect. Here, within the walls of a specialised international organisation, such as the OPCW, one must use facts and nothing but the facts. Stop fomenting hysteria, go ahead and officially formalise your request to begin consultations with us in order to clarify the situation.
Irish Praetorian wrote: » Have I done a time warp back to 2014? "Where is proof, real proof, manly proof!" "MH17 nothing to do with russian aa missile in sepratist region, where proof?" "No Russian troops invade Crimea what proof? Putin claim he order operation? NOT REAL PROOF gib REAL proof!"
cnocbui wrote: » There is evidence, you typically don't accept it. If the Russians tried to use the world cup as you suggest, it would be the last time they ever compete in one or get to host any world sporting event.
Elmer Blooker wrote: » Russia's reply to the OPCW is worth a read, censorship ensures that the MSM will not be allowed to publish it. I found it by accident at English site off-guardian.org.http://www.mid.ru/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/3118434?p_p_id=101_INSTANCE_cKNonkJE02Bw&_101_INSTANCE_cKNonkJE02Bw_languageId=en_GB
Elmer Blooker wrote: » Russia's reply to the OPCW is worth a read, censorship ensures that the MSM will not be allowed to publish it. I found it by accident at English site off-guardian.org. he British authorities’ unfounded accusations of Russia’s alleged involvement in using poisonous agents on their territory are absolutely unacceptable. Our British colleagues should recall that Russia and the United Kingdom are members of the OPCW which is one of the most successful and effective disarmament and non-proliferation mechanisms. We call upon them to abandon the language of ultimatums and threats and return to the legal framework of the chemical convention, which makes it possible to resolve this kind of situation. http://www.mid.ru/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/3118434?p_p_id=101_INSTANCE_cKNonkJE02Bw&_101_INSTANCE_cKNonkJE02Bw_languageId=en_GB
he British authorities’ unfounded accusations of Russia’s alleged involvement in using poisonous agents on their territory are absolutely unacceptable. Our British colleagues should recall that Russia and the United Kingdom are members of the OPCW which is one of the most successful and effective disarmament and non-proliferation mechanisms. We call upon them to abandon the language of ultimatums and threats and return to the legal framework of the chemical convention, which makes it possible to resolve this kind of situation.
The bio-medical samples collected from three victims during their autopsy were analysed at two OPCW designated laboratories. The results of the analysis indicate that the victims were exposed to Sarin or a Sarin-like substance. Bio-medical samples from seven individuals undergoing treatment at hospitals were also analysed in two other OPCW designated laboratories. Similarly, the results of these analyses indicate exposure to Sarin or a Sarin-like substance. Director-General ümcü stated clearly: “The results of these analyses from four OPCW designated laboratories indicate exposure to Sarin or a Sarin-like substance. While further details of the laboratory analyses will follow, the analytical results already obtained are incontrovertible.”
Chrongen wrote: » It's beautiful. The UK are in breach of the CW treaty. They're so stupid that they never even considered fabricating a story and then refusing to submit evidence would come back to bite them on their stupid ignorant arses. The Pavlovian dogs on here will still salivate over Boris Johnson's dumb bleatings rather than give themselves brain damage by trying to think for themselves.
Discodog wrote: » Does someone get paid by Russia, for promoting them on social media, or is there some other reward ? You are spouting such rubbish that, either you are being paid or you are delusional.
cnocbui wrote: » I'm glad you brought that up. There you have it, a statement from Russia that they are a member of the OPCW and that they regard it is a significant and trustworthy organisation. That is the same OPCW that released a press statement that includes this: Goodby to any credibility in denying the use of chemical weapons in Syria, which Russia seems happy to facilitate with their significant assistance.
Chrongen wrote: » The usual accusations of being paid by the Kremlin for not believing British bullshit. 1. Britain makes an accusation. 2. Britain refuses to provide proof of accusation. 3. Britain demands the accused prove their innocence. 4. I call foul. 5. Ergo I work for the accused. You're a parody.
Elmer Blooker wrote: » It seems even the UK's NATO friends aren't interested. You would think NATO would be on a war footing and meeting in emergency sessions, doesn't their charter say an attack on one member is an attack on all members? Some "attack".
josip wrote: » England should boycott the World Cup, they'll struggle to progress in the knockout stages anyway so it's not like they're sacrificing anything real.
The US didn't qualify, so they can present a unified PR front on it.
Putin has the same ego as every other autocrat and it would annoy him more than a few sanctions or a couple of diplomats being expelled
josip wrote: » England should boycott the World Cup, they'll struggle to progress in the knockout stages anyway so it's not like they're sacrificing anything real. The US didn't qualify, so they can present a unified PR front on it. Putin has the same ego as every other autocrat and it would annoy him more than a few sanctions or a couple of diplomats being expelled
Chrongen wrote: » Go ahead and boycott it. See how far that idea goes with the English public who couldn't give a fuck about Teresa May or BoJo the Clown or the rest of the Washington arse-lickers. You think that the world will come screeching to a halt because Britain, the most important people on Earth, are going to take their ball and go home? Yes, it can't be a real World Cup if mighty England refuse to take part. :pac:
Chrongen wrote: » Who could blame them? The story is so pathetic that only a sap would go along with it. But it shows how standards have fallen in the last few years. You just have to make a baseless accusation with zero proof, repeat it a few times and then go silent when challenged or even discredited. Doesn't matter. As long as you don't admit that you were lying all the time then a sizeable portion of people will take as gospel truth what you said to the grave with them.
Discodog wrote: » You think that the British public don't care about the first ever use of a nerve agent. You think they wouldn't care about a whole town being affected ? Some experts are talking about the remnants of this agent lasting for years. This comes on the back of the Polonium episode that shut down parts of London. The accused now runs a posh restaurant in Moscow favoured by Putin. How would Putin react to a nerve agent attack in Moscow ? It's state terrorism pure & simple.
Chrongen wrote: » And you call that proof? And why do you keep talking about Crimea when asked to provide proof of a Russian invasion of Donbas? It's like a little kiddie game you play. Some people must have some serious self worth issues that they would allow themselves to cling onto these pantomime arguments and continue to stick with them rather than set their emotions aside and let the critical part of their brain do some work for a change.
Chrongen wrote: » I don't accept "evidence" just because you or some patsy calls it evidence. And when you produce photographs of Russian columns in Georgia and try to mug people off by saying it's a photo of Russians entering eastern Ukraine then you expect me to have any respect for you or your argument. Don't insult peoples' intelligence. You have shown a remarkable degree of hypocrisy. You will swallow hook line and sinker any fairytale that you are told about Russia invading the Baltics or determining who sits in the White House. Tales that are spun by total charlatans with an agenda to push yet you call 1000's of science professors and fellows with NO agenda to push a bunch of liars because the charlatans who want to continue making money from petroleum tell you they are hucksters. Where is your dignity man? Your sense of being able to think for yourself? I almost pity people like you.
"We assess with high confidence that (Putin) ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the U.S. presidential election, the consistent goals of which were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election, the Russian influence campaign then focused on undermining her expected presidency."
It is almost as if those behind such actions simply do not care about being found and called out about it. In the past, intelligence agencies talked of wanting "plausible deniability" for their covert operations - being able to say it was not them. But observers say that with Russia, it increasingly looks as if the intelligence agencies are happy with "implausible deniability" - even if it seems obvious they are behind an act, they simply say "prove it" and try to muddy the waters with misinformation as much as possible.
Elmer Blooker wrote: » I fear that this "chemical attack" in Salisbury could be preparing us for a major false flag operation in Syria. The idea is to get "Russia" and "chemical attack" into the public consciousness and a compliant media and the photos of children will do the rest. BBC claiming that Russia didn't reply to Britain's ultimatum, the letter I posted earlier proves that they are lying ..... qu'elle surprise!
Discodog wrote: » You think that the British public don't care about the first ever use of a nerve agent. You think they wouldn't care about a whole town being affected ? Some experts are talking about the remnants of this agent lasting for years.
