Howard Tasteless Bank wrote: Edit: That said, at very busy times, it can be surprisingly easy to lose track of what happened when, I can imagine it's very possible to get into the second month of pregnancy before you really start paying attention.
pilly wrote: » Very possible. Especially if you're using contraception and you're not worried about it. Some women don't get any periods.
CruelCoin wrote: » My partner would fall under this. Rod in arm, she hasn't had a period in years. Cheers for the clarifications guys, but the short answer to my question is yes, there will be no delays?
CruelCoin wrote: » Cheers for the clarifications guys, but the short answer to my question is yes, there will be no delays?
Howard Tasteless Bank wrote: » Assuming you got pregnant in the middle of a four week cycle, at four weeks pregnant you'd be about two weeks late, would you not check at that point? My cycle isn't very regular, I'll know what week to expect a period but not what day. I'd still be checking if it didn't show up that week. Edit: That said, at very busy times, it can be surprisingly easy to lose track of what happened when, I can imagine it's very possible to get into the second month of pregnancy before you really start paying attention.
Bannasidhe wrote: » It's giving those who are currently abroad an opportunity to determine the kind of Ireland they will return to. I am of the generation that voted against the 8th and promptly got the hell out of Ireland as what I personally experienced while campaigning for choice convinced me that there was no place in 80s Ireland for anyone who was even slightly liberal in their world view. I wasn't alone. I worked, lived... and played... among people from all parts of the Republic who felt ourselves to be in exile. It says a lot that a generation found Thatcher's Britain more welcoming than our native land. It's no coincidence that most of us returned after the election of Mary Robinson as we sensed change was in the air. We voted for divorce. We voted for the right to travel and get information. We voted for the Ireland we wanted and now another generation need to know this is their chance. PLC know that and are afraid.
seamus wrote: » I guess the question though is what's your alternative? You can't put it in the constitution; we've already been down that road. What makes this instance any different to another where the government legislates? Why are the government to be given the power on all other aspects of healthcare law, criminal law, human rights legislation, but on abortion law for some reason they just can't be trusted?
markodaly wrote: » Let us be honest here, the reason most people left Ireland was for economic reasons not social reasons. I am sure it played a part for some, but getting a job was foremost in peoples thinking. Also, the election of Mary Robinson was at a time where the Celtic Tiger was about to unleash itself. Again, economic reasons bringing people back.
markodaly wrote: » We amended the Constitution to get rid of capital punishment, did we not? See Criminal law. Most of our human rights legalisation has been imported from the EU, we have had no say in it.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » Robinson was elected president in 1990. the celtic tiger didnt even start until 4 or 5 years later.
markodaly wrote: » Was 'about to' unleash itself.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » No we didnt.
The Twenty-first Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland introduced a constitutional ban on the death penalty and removed all references to capital punishment from the text. It was effected by the Twenty-first Amendment of the Constitution Act, 2001, which was approved by referendum on 7 June 2001 and signed into law on 27 March 2002.
markodaly wrote: » Em, yes we did.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-first_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland
ohnonotgmail wrote: » well except things were still pretty **** economically.
markodaly wrote: » Yes, GDP growth rates of 8.5% is terrible.https://countryeconomy.com/gdp/ireland?year=1990 :pac:
markodaly wrote: » We amended the Constitution to get rid of capital punishment, did we not? See Criminal law.
Most of our human rights legalisation has been imported from the EU, we have had no say in it.
Bannasidhe wrote: » I reckon I know who I worked with and hung out with in London in the 80s. We were the Irish Queers and the Lefties - the same people who 'manned' the Abortion Info lines - and yes - we left for social reasons and there was a lot of us because if you were gay or socially liberal Ireland was no place for you. Edit to add : or if you wanted a divorce, or to raise your 'illegitimate' child, or were a survivor of one of Ireland's many institutions designed to make life hell for the socially unacceptable. And again - given I was there and these were my peers - I remember how Robinson's election caused us to decide it was time to bring the fight back home. I didn't say it was all the Irish. I said it was the Irish I worked, lived among, and played with, and we were both politically and socially very aware. It's not always about economics.
Edward M wrote: » A good few may have left to have an abortion and stayed, but honestly, are you trying to say that women left here with the premeditated intention of having an abortion if they got pregnant?
nozzferrahhtoo wrote: » I do not know if any comprehensive study has been done on reasons why people left the country so I am not sure anyone is in the position to answer your question with anything but anecdote. Anecdote is not evidence of course but I can offer my own. I know people who DID leave for kind of that reason but not how you phrased it. Rather they left because they considered all the pros and cons of being pregnant and having children in Ireland, including evaluating unfortunate scenarios where abortion might be required but not attainable, and overall decided Ireland was not the place to be pregnant and (hopefully, ultimately) have children in. They wanted to be pregnant in a country where they had more control over their own reproductive autonomy and choices. Abortion was however only ONE factor in that. There was plenty more. I certainly know that I myself, here in Germany, have benefited mightily from the medical system here with both our pregnancies and children. Just this year I decided on a whim to go to specialists on eyes, others on ears, others on teeth, others on the nose and throat, one on back and posture development, one on nutrition, one on feet and so on and so on. Basically decided to have EVERYTHING checked. The sum cost of this to me out of my pocket at the time? Zero euro and zero cent. We also have 14 months pain (75% of salary) parental leave to split between us as we saw fit. Herself took a few months while I worked nearly a full year on half days. All great stuff. So I would not put it as crassly as "women left here with the premeditated intention of having an abortion if they got pregnant" but I would say many factors, including abortion, have indeed come into peoples decision to take their reproductive plans and life journey elsewhere. We can but hope that a repeal in the upcoming election mediates at least SOME of that. But it certainly will not be everything.
Edward M wrote: » I know loads, including myself for a while, who left for economic reasons only, I would venture to say at least 90% did it for economic reasons. Of course a fair few would have left because of lifestyle choices also, and the reasoning behind a lot of it was because of the laws regarding sexual orientation. But I would venture to say very very few women or men left because if they got pregnant they could get an abortion in the UK. A good few may have left to have an abortion and stayed, but honestly, are you trying to say that women left here with the premeditated intention of having an abortion if they got pregnant?
Bannasidhe wrote: » You're doing it again Ed. Reading things I never wrote. My only reference to abortion was the helpline. I did say that unmarried mothers left so they could raise their children - the very opposite of what you seemed to think I said. I was very clear in my original post about this that I was referring to the circles I moved in - not the entire Irish experience. I have no idea what the Irish experience in, for example, Kilburn was because I only set food in the place once and thought I has accidentally ended up in Roscommon c1979. Jeez - coul:cool:d people please read all the words in a post.
Edward M wrote: » But why, I mean where did they come from? I had a child with my first partner in the 80s, in rural Cavan, we lived together for 4 years after the child was born, we had no problems or our daughter either. I really would like to know where in Ireland this wasn't possible at that time?
Edward M wrote: » No offence to you, but I think most of that you say about abortion being available is crap, as if the need arose even here, you could still travel.
Bannasidhe wrote: » Ask the women who found themselves in the Laundries. Like this woman who found herself in Bessborough in 1984.http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/bessborough-mother-and-baby-home-story-1563790-Jul2014/ Has it occurred to you that people thought you were married? Either way, are you sure if your partner had been alone in rural Cavan with a child she would have had no problems?
Edward M wrote: But that's intolerance, that still exists, abortion won't change that.
