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The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

RobertKK

The citizens assembly voted to replace or amend the 8th amendment.

50% voted to replace or amend
44% voted to repeal
Rest preferred to not state an opinion

Now deciding how it will be replaced or amended
: Let the Dail legislate on the rights of the unborn
: Amend the provision in the constitution.

Meltdown on twitter by Repealthe8th people.

Mod- This thread has descended in to petty name calling. We've tried to let this thread run without too much mod interference but now it's on our radar we will be watching. From here on the name calling stops. If you can't debate civilly we will remove your right to post.

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ohnonotgmail

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I'm sure they will fully comply with the rules around spending for political purposes.

applehunter

kylith wrote: »

Also easy to get a good crowd when you have the funds to lay in buses from around the country.

You think people are going to take money from the pro-life campaign so that they can get a free bus to Dublin?

It was the exact opposite. My bus was €20 but most were throwing extra money knowing it was going towards the campaign.

Yesterday was a long day. I left at 8am and I was back home in Cork a few mins late for Match of the Day.

splinter65

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Thread needs a poll attached to it to get an idea what way people will vote.

You don’t need a poll. I can tell you.
If only boardsies were allowed to vote the referendum would be carried 80/20.

Fred Swanson

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tretorn

That was an enormous crowd today and a surprising number of young people.

The media have got it all wrong about the amendment and the public appetite for change, whether this is deliberate or not is hard to know. The media should be objective but they are partisan regarding this issue and when people come together to march you can clearly see how wrong the media is.

It was the same with Brexit and the same with Donald Trump.

Edward M

amdublin wrote: »

Agree.

To be fair however, they (all 15,000 approx.) did give up their Saturday to come represent.

I'm assuming the pro repeal crowd will have a rally soon? (Thursday's being International Women's day)

I'm surprised you don't know IWD was last Thursday.

amdublin

tretorn wrote: »

That was an enormous crowd today and a surprising number of young people.

The media have got it all wrong about the amendment and the public appetite for change, whether this is deliberate or not is hard to know. The media should be objective but they are partisan regarding this issue and when people come together to march you can clearly see how wrong the media is.

It was the same with Brexit and the same with Donald Trump.

What was on today??

amdublin

Edward M wrote: »

I'm surprised you don't know IWD was last Thursday.

That's what I mean?? Last Thursdays March was iwd. Not a repeal march (although a lot of marchers marched for iwd under the banner of repeal)

Wonder when the repeal march will be on?

Nettle Soup

I heard that priests in Galway masses were encouraging the flock to go to the march in Dublin. Its like the 80s again.

Fred Swanson

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amdublin

applehunter wrote: »

You think people are going to take money from the pro-life campaign so that they can get a free bus to Dublin?

It was the exact opposite. My bus was €20 but most were throwing extra money knowing it was going towards the campaign.

Yesterday was a long day. I left at 8am and I was back home in Cork a few mins late for Match of the Day.

I don't think think the poster meant that the marchers were using the buses to get up to Dublin (for something other than the march??)

They meant that buses were laid on to bus supporters up. It makes it easier for people to march.

You have clarified you paid for your bus.
I made the point that people did give up their Saturday to represent.

tretorn

Its a sign that the Government better stop listening to the media and get out there and talk to people on the doortep.

That was a huge March and it gives a voice to people whose view isnt popular in the liberal media.

I cant see anything wrong with families marching together, it was the same with the last pro life March I saw, whole families out together, surely its healthy for Children to see democracy in action.

The anti repaeal the 8th protesters are from all backgrounds, they are athiests, Church of Ireland people, you name it. Another big mistake is to tar all those in who are against abortion as religious fundamentalists, nothing could be further than the truth.

Edward M

amdublin wrote: »

That's what I mean?? Last Thursdays March was iwd. Not a repeal march (although a lot of marchers marched for iwd under the banner of repeal)

Wonder when the repeal march will be on?

I guess a weekend one will be better, but I don't think a march by either side will change many minds anyway.
This is a vote, not a tool to persuade a govt.
I'd go so far as to say that imo large demonstrations aggregate people really, a shouting match with stoic views trying to push your message down ordinary peoples gullets doesent work, ordinary people aren't trying to get elected.

tretorn

Its funny how many women were there even though we are being told constantly how repeal the 8th is so anti women.

None of the women looked they they were forced to march against their will.

Ismisejack

The media couldn’t be more bias should they try, so much for impartial news. Ud be forgiven for thinking the pro choice side fund them;)

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tretorn wrote: »

That was an enormous crowd today and a surprising number of young people.

The media have got it all wrong about the amendment and the public appetite for change, whether this is deliberate or not is hard to know. The media should be objective but they are partisan regarding this issue and when people come together to march you can clearly see how wrong the media is.

It was the same with Brexit and the same with Donald Trump.

Ah yes, the old fake news routine.

Oldtree

tretorn wrote: »

Its a sign that the Government better stop listening to the media and get out there and talk to people on the doortep.

That was a huge March and it gives a voice to people whose view isnt popular in the liberal media.

The government are listening to the people, not the media, thus their published policy paper and the referendum.

Cantona's Collars

The thing I noticed around Wexford at least is the sheer amount of advertising to Save the 8th. I have yet to see anything for the repeal side.
When this was first brought up there was a group going around the county promoting pro life,all well and good and it's their right but what I didn't like was the fact several of them had young kids in tow while carrying pictures and placards of aborted foetuses. Not the thing to be exposing young kids to.

amdublin

Ismisejack wrote: »

The media couldn’t be more bias should they try, so much for impartial news. Ud be forgiven for thinking the pro choice side fund them;)

Ah the old biased media routine

Aaaaand the old pro choice side and their money job

Fred Swanson

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amdublin

tretorn wrote: »

Its funny how many women were there even though we are being told constantly how repeal the 8th is so anti women.

None of the women looked they they were forced to march against their will.

Yes it's great they have choice to.march or not.

Better if women have individual choice on other stuff too...

Bonniedog

Edward M wrote: »

I'm surprised you don't know IWD was last Thursday.

Naughty step for AM.

Consisting of ten hour harangue from Comrades Smith and Coppinger

Loafing Oaf

tretorn wrote: »

Its a sign that the Government better stop listening to the media and get out there and talk to people on the doortep.

and do what? Call off the referendum?

up for anything

eviltwin wrote: »

I brought my son to the pro choice march last year, he's 8. He doesn't understand abortion but he knew we were marching so women could have agency over their own body, he understands that concept well. It's up to each parent to decide what their child needs to know and every child is different. I don't think taking a child to any march regardless of your "side" is wrong, I just know I'd rather my kids marched with those who are now judgemental, open minded and supportive.

Discodog wrote: »

Really ? Try running that past a child psychologist. I disagree with it regardless of the side & I am pro choice.

I'm not sure I understand what you disagree with. The fact that a child could understand women having agency over their own bodies, is it? If that is what you are getting at I doubt you'd find a child psychologist to agree with you. For quite a while now most sensible people have been teaching children exactly that about their own bodies so it's not a stretch for them to understand that what applies to them also applies to other people.

amdublin

Bonniedog wrote: »

Naughty step for AM.

Consisting of ten hour harangue from Comrades Smith and Coppinger

Ha! Lol

I think it was a misinterpretation between what I posted and what it read as. I clarified what I meant.

Bannasidhe

amdublin wrote: »

Ha! Lol

I think it was a misinterpretation between what I posted and what it read as. I clarified what I meant.

Ah Leave Bonnied alone - he has a quota of digs at any thing he perceives as left-wing to reach ... and some times he really has to reach to try and reach it. :pac:

Discodog

I hope & believe that this referendum won't be decided by demonstrations. It's an individual, not mob, decision.

Cantona's Collars

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Unregulated Yankee money to save Ireland.

Yet yer one being interviewed by Matt Cooper said all monies donated were from Irish doners,she didn't sound too convincing and I don't think Matt was too convinced either.

applehunter

Edward M wrote: »

I guess a weekend one will be better, but I don't think a march by either side will change many minds anyway.
This is a vote, not a tool to persuade a govt.
I'd go so far as to say that imo large demonstrations aggregate people really, a shouting match with stoic views trying to push your message down ordinary peoples gullets doesent work, ordinary people aren't trying to get elected.

Presume you mean aggravate.

I would agree they won't change peoples minds as they are only catering for their own side.

However, it does energise their base.

The Pro-life movement while strong in local areas around the country, it doesn't have that national profile. You only get that from the media and the repeal side have all the media behind them.*

Yesterday showed to those activists, "you are not ploughing a lone furrow"

The same people on my bus that were reluctant about canvassing on the way up were asking question about the canvass on the way back down.

As for being stoic in your views. It is final battle and will decide the election I feel. In such a divisive referendum both sides will try to claim that higher ground.

*RTE have the biggest influencer so the sooner the referendum is announced the better.

david75

Discodog wrote: »

I hope & believe that this referendum won't be decided by demonstrations. It's an individual, not mob, decision.

It’s worse than that. Watching that march yesterday.. predominantly elderly people and their really young grandkids and countless amounts of really intense Americans somehow that came over to take part.None of whom can vote here.
The march went that slowly literally because
It’s participants aren’t exactly up to walking that far or that fast.
People not long for this world groping at the bodily autonomy and reproductive rights of young women in this country for years to come is really sinister.