Discodog wrote: » Really ? Try running that past a child psychologist. I disagree with it regardless of the side & I am pro choice.
eviltwin wrote: » I brought my son to the pro choice march last year, he's 8. He doesn't understand abortion but he knew we were marching so women could have agency over their own body, he understands that concept well. It's up to each parent to decide what their child needs to know and every child is different. I don't think taking a child to any march regardless of your "side" is wrong, I just know I'd rather my kids marched with those who are now judgemental, open minded and supportive.
Discodog wrote: » Absolutely. It's an action designed to make people think about a child. To engender sympathy just like a beggar with a child. But it's the double standard of saying that you want to protect children but then use them to further your cause.
January wrote: » It's possible they have, their version of the alternatives view though, not the actual alternative view.
_Dara_ wrote: » But the point is, it's not about the child understanding what the issues are. It's whether they agree with it or not. And people putting up on pictures of their kids on social media and saying stuff like "Little Aoibhinn is pro-life/pro-choice!" are just nauseating and emotive and, forgive me, but I don't believe those people have given their child the option of deciding how they feel about the issue. They've probably either been nudged into believing what their parent does or they were never asked at all and are just being as a cheap photo op.
January wrote: » Are you really serious? A child can definitely understand things when it's explained to them simply. Fatal fetal abnormality = the baby is very sick in the mother's belly and will not survive outside of it. Rape = when someone forces someone to have sex with them against their will (and yes, I have spoken to my child about rape, I may not have called it rape but she knows about it, I have younger kids too and will discuss it with them when I feel they're ready too) We haven't discussed incest yet but I'm sure it will come. She knows that some women do not want to remain pregnant and that there are a myriad of reasons for that such as the above cases and also because of possibly financial implications or that they just don't want to have children and that currently women who don't want to, or can't remain pregnant, are forced to go to England so they can have either pills or an operation to remove the fetus from the womb and she knows that there is a referendum coming up about it. I'm not saying my child is a genius but she understands the process of abortion and what may cause a woman to have one. It's not that hard to understand.
January wrote: » I'm not saying my child is a genius but she understands the process of abortion and what may cause a woman to have one. It's not that hard to understand.
swampgas wrote: » You're very passionate in your beliefs. So are many, many people who want the 8th repealed. Abortion is one of those emotive topics that people often need to make a journey to understand. It's not simple. Ireland has been stuck in a time warp for decades, and it's not because Ireland is somehow better than anywhere else. Ireland has learned, Ireland has grown up, and Ireland will have legal abortion, with or without you. You are screaming about betrayal? That's makes my blood boil, to be honest. The women and girls of Ireland, and the men and women who love them, have been betrayed for decades by a people and government too cowardly and immature to face the reality of the need for abortion in Ireland. The 8th amendment was and is a betrayal, a shameful betrayal, of the women of Ireland. I for one will feel like a stain has been lifted from the country when it is finally repealed.
January wrote: » I don't think it's so young. Especially if it's explained in an age appropriate way, and it can be. Mine have asked about it because I wear my repeal jumper a lot and help run the local pro-choice group so go to meetings often.
Ismisejack wrote: » Wow never came across such a snob in my relatively short life, well I’m 22 so I’ll be able vote against repeal for a long time yet! How u like that?! There’s is nothing backwards about being anti abortion it’s indeed progressive as there is much more progressive ways of dealing with crisis pregnancies than child murdering. When referendum day comes and the eighth is retained I can’t wait to see the face on snobs like you
January wrote: » I'm not sure how you think a nine year old has no concept about the subject? Why do you say that.
_Dara_ wrote: » In fairness, some Repeal campaigners aren’t much better in that regard. I certainly saw some putting words in their very young children’s mouths whilst posting photos of them on social media. I just think children should be left out of it on both sides. It’s manipulative nonsense. It’s so so young. Let children be innocent and give them space and time to form their own opinions on the matter. Critical thinking faculties need to be developed first.
Discodog wrote: » The photo on the front page of the Sunday Times is so wrong. A nine year old child carrying a big red heart. On it is written "I'm Prolife because there's always a better answer than abortion". This is child abuse. It's using a child in the way that a beggar would. The child has no concept about the subject. The hypocrisy of protecting life & abusing a child.
RobertKK wrote: » Given the extremist abortion laws planned by the politicians, 12 week abortion allowed for any reason, and no time limit on abortion for life limiting conditions or on mental health grounds, I don't believe the repeal the 8th will win. I don't believe people will trust letting the politicians in having the power to change law without asking the people in the future. It gives them free reign. Simon Harris campaigned and said he was pro-life, lies. Micheal Martin showed his previous words were lies. The repeal side have so many politicians supporting repeal who showed they lied to voters about their stance on abortion. Then they want voters to trust politicians over what the constitution at present guarantees. People aren't fools, repeal say trust women, I trust women and most I know are for the 8th amendment, I don't trust politicians who have proven they lied about this issue. They can say they went on a journey but it has been a journey of betrayal to their voters. What good is a person as a politician who says 'you can vote for me, I am prolife and will defend that position' but then does the exact opposite? Who would vote or put trust in giving people like this more power, when their word means zero?
RobertKK wrote: » What about that small rally that repeal had on international women's day? Organised well in advance, and less than a thousand attended.
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Bonniedog wrote: » Ismisejack wrote: » Wow never came across such a snob in my relatively short life, well I’m 22 so I’ll be able vote against repeal for a long time yet! How u like that?! There’s is nothing backwards about being anti abortion it’s indeed progressive as there is much more progressive ways of dealing with crisis pregnancies than child murdering. When referendum day comes and the eighth is retained I can’t wait to see the face on snobs like you I wonder what Gandalf's view is on their theocratic buddy Dr. Selim proposing that Irish hospitals legally carry out the torture and mutilation of little girls? Left was curiously silent on that.
